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on this episode of skeptico

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a show about what's going on in space

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it's what we call a global killer

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nothing would survive not even bacteria

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in a scene straight out of the movie

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armageddon real-life nasa scientists are

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going to ram a spacecraft into one

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massive asteroid

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and 788 thousand years ago

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again for this very reason that they

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they understood this appeared to be

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already glass and to come from space so

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a lot of the nasa guys were arguing this

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had to be lunar material that theory

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collapsed when we retrieved lunar

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materials and realized it did not mesh

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but their argument was very sound one of

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the guys actually said well look what

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about if you came from interplanetary

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space or somewhere further out well

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that's the problem nobody take that

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seriously because

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what's the chances that it ends up in a

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geocentric orbit

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that first clip was from the today show

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and the second one was from today's

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guest bruce fenton who you've heard on

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this show before and i can pretty much

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guarantee you you will hear from him

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again he's doing

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i think just about the most important

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scientific research into

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the phenomenon if you will then well

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really just about anyone else i can

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think of and i think the reason for that

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in this interview

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stick around it's a good one

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics

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today we welcome back bruce fenton to

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skeptico bruce is the author of several

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books i pulled up one of them you can

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find on amazon

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exogenesis hybrid humans a scientific

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history of extraterrestrial

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what's the rest of that

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genetic manipulation

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there's a couple other books you're

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going to want to check out i won't

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bother reading all of those into the

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show but into africa hybrid humans

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and then bruce and i a couple years ago

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because i met bruce through skeptico and

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i was so blown

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away at the quality and importance of

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this work that i took upon myself to do

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a little

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movie we did and here it is on prime viv

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you can watch it 780 000 years

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our alien origin story

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so go check that out if you want bruce

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gets a couple little pennies if you do

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but his work

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i i just have to give this little bit of

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introduction bruce and

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you've been on the show a couple times

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people can find you a lot of different

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but like where i want to go with this

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is really

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help people understand why i think

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you're one of the top

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ufo researchers in the world

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and why i think that is like makes you

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one of the top

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scientists in the world and i think

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that's really hard for people to swallow

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it sounds like hype it sounds like gosh

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i've never heard of this guy or this

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guy's just you know he's so minor you

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know how can you say that well let me

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explain my logic because i think it will

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play into the show in a couple of

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important ways so

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let's say you're going to take a big

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picture view of the ufo issue

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biggest possible picture you could take

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you'd say okay do ufos exist

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where do they come from

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what do they want

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the biggest biggest questions you could

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that unless you're willing to really

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take a stab at answering those questions

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in a scientific way

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then

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you can't answer all the other questions

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that seem to dominate this discussion

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disclosure lou elizondo atif abductions

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good et vad et grays versus lizards

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you can't answer unless you answer those

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big picture questions

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now what i'm leading up to is bruce more

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than anyone i've come in contact with

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has directly tried to apply science

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to those big picture questions and he

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does it just brilliantly in this book

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but he also does it in

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and all his papers and stuff like that

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so that's what makes this so important

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is that here's a guy who's

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scientifically taken a stab at research

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that directly gets at even if it doesn't

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answer all those questions completely it

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moves us towards an answer to those

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that can then let us answer

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what do you think of that bruce i know

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comment on that

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but i think that is in your core when i

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you really are searching for

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scientific evidence that drills into

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these big picture questions that we so

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they're that that we either know or

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the rest of that you have any comment on

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yeah sure i mean i've seen you know some

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accolades if you've thrown there so i

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mean um because gives me some pause to

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thought to how i would look i see myself

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certainly as trying to apply

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the scientific method to extraordinary

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and anomalous areas of thought you know

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and those those little mysteries on the

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edges of you know

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and consensus culture if you like um the

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anomalies you know what appealed to me

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you know those scientific anomalies so i

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would say i've been on a journey from

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probably being quite credulous like you

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know a lot of people go into those kind

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of areas you know accepting a lot of um

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of conjecture and a lot of strange

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hypotheses that didn't have much

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substance to a point where i realized

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you you have to be able to explain

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you know all the different constituent

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topics link with each other you have to

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lost parts of history that you can't

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mystery you have to understand say

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culturalizing civilizations uh how

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people could have flowed out of the you

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mysteries and that's where i've been

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these data points and bringing them

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hypothesis that fits with all of it and

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explains the outstanding anomalies right

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and that that's where i'm at so i would

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say yes i'm applying science although

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credentialed scientist you know i have

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i'm applying that scientific method now

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is fairly lackluster debunking by

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scientists who haven't taken the time to

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really explore all of the evidence but

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which are often are quite easily

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and so i i think i have stepped into a

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there's very few people that are

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strange hypotheses on offer actually

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make sense rather than just dismissing

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them or ignoring these topics in in

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previous books and in your journey with

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but here's what i really like i get

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excited about in this book exogenesis

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hybrid humans you found

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tying all these things together so it's

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not like you went looking but i think so

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few people understand this i was just

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listening to an interview you gave and

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the guy who is this pretty prominent ufo

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community he just couldn't wrap his head

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around it because he was so skeptical

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not skeptical but just like no you know

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that doesn't add up that doesn't prove

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it this way and instead what i saw is

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what bruce has done is exactly what

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somebody needs to do kind of

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the ground until you find one piece

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that really unlocks it and then dig into

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that piece and keep digging into it and

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then look at the tectites and look at

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the flow and look at the silicon and

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look at how they fall and then trash

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this case that really becomes the focus

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of so much of your work and

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how important do you think that case is

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how different is it and then of course

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that what that case is and how you went

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we'll just try and

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close it down as quick as you can so we

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hybrid humans you know this uh events of

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788 thousand years ago approximately

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that these events are uh

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without parallel the most important um

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sets of events that i've personally

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looked into you know so again beckley

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teppy and pyramids and you know the

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movements of early humans they dealt

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with in my obviously previous book which

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i think you know is really important

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rewriting uh rest out of africa and

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people would say well that's massive you

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know if you've really done that that's

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huge and i'd say well yeah that's quite

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important but it's nothing on this so

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that gives perhaps some kind of scale as

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to how big i think it is i think most

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people in certain sciences would say or

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rewriting recent out of africa you know

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that's paradigm changing that's massive

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i now realize that compared to what i'm

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doing at the moment that's

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inconsequential you know yes it's

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interesting uh but it doesn't really

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change uh who we are as a species or

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really where we've come from you know

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it's uh it's an interesting change to

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the story but i i think what i'm dealing

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with now is something that you know it

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really would change the way we view

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ourselves and view it change the way we

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view the entire arc of human history

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from the very beginning of you know the

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this the species that gave rise to homo

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sapiens onwards

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and he said i can't really think of a

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human-centric story that would be bigger

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than that you know you can have a cosmic

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story that's bigger you know maybe the

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rise of the universe or is there god and

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you know there's the massive cosmic

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questions right but if we're talking

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about human beings

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then this story for me

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is the biggest one imaginable it's the

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it's the entire arc of

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what made us us uh what was what was the

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environment like for us what was

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happening at the beginning of our story

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that makes uh all of this begin you know

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and of course that has

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ripple effects all the way down to now

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especially related to a lot of the

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extraordinary phenomena other topics

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ufos aliens experiences people are

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claiming they're having with alien type

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intelligence all of that stuff

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links back into this story the other

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thing i would interject because it even

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goes

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further than that if we could even say

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that and that doesn't sound

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but it also kind of sets the clock a

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little bit both in terms of which is

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super important to say okay now the

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scale we have to start looking at things

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788 000 years ago boom that instantly

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puts a different perspective on

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you know what we're worried about today

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and disclosure in the sense you're like

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wait a minute we have to look at a

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completely different time scale but the

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other thing that resetting the clock

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does

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in a very kind of uh

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amazing way but also kind of a scary way

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is it resets where we are in that

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timeline

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so we are at the verge of

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really using silicone to develop not

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only computers but maybe a craft you

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know we're on the edge of that

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we're on the edge of

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genetic transhumanism you know isn't

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that so even if we look at our history

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that we've recorded you know a thousand

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years two thousand years five thousand

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years whatever you think we have

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recorded in history now your work

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puts that into a frame of reference that

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is exciting and also uncomfortable

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because it says you are at the cusp of

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something

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that

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do you get what i'm saying what do you

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think about it yeah um i think that the

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phrase would come to mind is you know

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history never repeats but it certainly

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rhymes because i i think that we are in

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a kind of a cyclical um temporal flow

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but maybe not quite a circle but a kind

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of a spiral so that we are seeing

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a repeating flavor of events so we're

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not necessary and right back to the

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beginning of the human story but we're

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seeing things that were occurring at the

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beginning of the story occurring now as

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we reach a kind of a transition point

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for humans again you know so we're

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dealing with a very ancient human

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transition point and now we can see

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elements of it a mirrored today as we

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enter another kind of transition point

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for human beings and you know as you

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said some of these the indications of

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the same kind of technologies that i'm

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looking at in my work we're seeing now

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coming into view again

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from human hands you know again deal

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with

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silica-based technologies you know ai

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um

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modifying beings using technologies uh

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all of these things that you know a

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tackle there we can see these are

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becoming really poignant central issues

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today you know because we've got

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warnings that ai

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probably represents the biggest

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existential threat to humans for a start

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which you know can feel like elon musk

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who you're not involved in that so you

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know that you know we've almost

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missed the boat on trying to deal with

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that because it's got to a point where

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the you know the pandora's box is open

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um

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nearly all the greatest minds that are

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coming out of university today are going

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into these fields into ai and into the

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technology fields right so there's an

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exponential increase in how fast that

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topic is going to you know move forward

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now because it's no longer case if it's

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something people saw as a background

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field now it's a really the front

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of technology and a friend of mighty is

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this idea you know ai doing everything

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right the exact same thing is true when

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you get into genetics

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and even when you

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particularly when you look at hey take

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genetics take globalism

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one world government

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really so on a political level you know

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if you start thinking along the thinking

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that exogenesis brings us then you start

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asking questions like well how much

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sense does it make to have

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146 governments on a planet versus

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so that's it and then you know you look

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at the bio weapon gene therapy thing and

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you go

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whoa you know now different ways to

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affect dna you know so we take

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like

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it's not just about

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you know the genetic modification in

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cloning and stuff like that it's about

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this whole burst of technological

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innovation surrounding genetics and

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again i'm not putting any value judgment

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on that for purposes of this

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conversation what i'm doing is

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really taking your work and saying how

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does your work give us a different

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perspective demand how does it demand

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that we take a different perspective on

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all of that

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well there's a couple of ways but one

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thing i'd highlight there is you know if

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we look at the way that technologies are

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mixing with each other flow into each

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other and depend on each other i mean we

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can see now that the military machine

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you know is very caught up with the ai

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developments as well there's always been

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talk for years now ai generals i mean

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people don't understand what's happening

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here but we're we're moving towards ai

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that will be in control of drone weapons

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hypersonic crafts and at the same time

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who do people think that there's going

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to be running the genetic engineering do

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you really think that's human no so

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we're going to have ai doctors ai

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scientists ai genetic engineering right

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so ai that's in charge of re-engineering

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humans controlling our warfare right and

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essentially running all of our resources

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under this one world government so

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you're almost kind of engineering this

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god-like ai right so there's this

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spiritual dimension to it that it's you

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know that we are the jesus machina idea

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you know that there's god from the

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machine right and it's going to be doing

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all of this stuff and if you you arch

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back to 788 thousand years ago and

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obviously the work i've been doing we

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have this kind of story of what seems to

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be you know an ai that is connected to

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the beginnings of humans the engineering

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genetic engineering of humans is linked

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into a story of that and warfare um you

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know so we have that kind of repeating

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theme so though it's not saying it's

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exactly the same thing happening because

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we're dealing with what seems to be an

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external ai rather than a human

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engineered ai but again is this there's

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a resonance here this idea of of uh

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super intelligences that are able to

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come in and you know calculate what they

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think is best for humans

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modify us change the planet uh control

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resources here and you know conduct

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warfare potentially and so i think we

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are seeing an int you know an

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interlinking between the beginning and

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what could be the end at least an end of

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this chapter

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of humanity involving these super

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intelligences and the inter interlinking

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between technologies between these ais

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genetic engineering planetary control

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warfare so that's where i see it being

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very important so we could get this

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warning from the past and an

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understanding that just the direction

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that this is going in i think it can

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make us maybe maybe rethink and take a

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moment of pause before we you know steam

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ahead

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well we'll see about that because

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there's a couple of different ways to

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interpret the story but i guess

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in typical skeptical fashion we've

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jumped right to the inside baseball

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stuff which is great love it wouldn't do

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it any other way but maybe you better

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pull back and give people the five

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minute thumbnail sketch of what happened

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uh how this how this research came to be

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yeah i mean it's quite you know it's a

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destroying story so the first part of

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this is you know i stumbled on a set of

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claims so people aren't familiar with

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this you know there was a set of claims

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made back in the

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early 1990s of an interaction between

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an aboriginal elder with jerry bostock

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and a

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well english origin

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lady in australia called valerie barrow

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who had uh an interaction with what's

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considered to be a sacred aboriginal

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artifact called a charinga

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now this is you know extraordinary and

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mind-bending stories most people will

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discount immediately so which i'll

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understand but we'll come to why they

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shouldn't and this artifact seemingly

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was able to transfer information a kind

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of a history of humanity and these would

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be traditionally these are an artifact

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they're kept as a holy of holies a

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sacred is sacred you know away from the

560
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:49,600
regular people in the indigenous tribes

561
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:52,000
that have law around charingas and

562
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:54,559
there's a few dotted around uh uluru

563
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:57,360
area um there's

564
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,200
several different you know nations that

565
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:01,200
have a history relating to these things

566
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:03,360
and they say that they were left here in

567
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:05,039
the the beginning time in what we'd

568
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:06,720
think of as the dream time or they

569
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:08,080
called the charinga time or the

570
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,840
outringer time sorry and so these

571
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:12,000
charingas linked to this altering the

572
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:14,720
time and altering the beings who were

573
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:17,440
involved in the creation of animals

574
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,840
humans parts of the landscape so a kind

575
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:21,520
of you know terraformers genetic

576
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:23,200
engineers that are non-human

577
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,480
intelligence that were here long ago and

578
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:29,120
left these artifacts now they say that

579
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,760
these artifacts are in some way alive

580
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:33,360
that they are actually these outrigger

581
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:36,400
beings transformed into these permanent

582
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:39,919
bodies so small portable kind of silica

583
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,000
artifacts before you go there because

584
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:44,640
it's great but uh to just kind of set

585
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:45,919
this up

586
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,159
because you said this before but this

587
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,480
story is so dense and so important

588
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,440
you are predisposed to become

589
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:56,240
super interested in this and then

590
00:22:02,870 --> 00:21:59,520
predisposed to unpeel the onion in the

591
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:02,880
layers that you did because you had this

592
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,120
incredible background where you had been

593
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:07,679
exploring these anomalies all over the

594
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,760
world and you had other kind of

595
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:12,240
non-ordinary experiences that kind of

596
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:13,600
pushed you along that and we don't have

597
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,919
time to go into all those but just

598
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,120
briefly

599
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,000
you know you are predisposed to when you

600
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,640
hear this and this is also published in

601
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:25,280
a book later on to pursue it so just

602
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,640
cover that real briefly because it's

603
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:28,240
important yeah no no that's right

604
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:29,200
because i mean a lot of people would

605
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:32,799
simply disregard that immediately right

606
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:35,919
um so unless you have some reason to

607
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:38,400
think that such a series of events could

608
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:39,679
be possible

609
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:41,360
you probably would go no further than

610
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:42,880
that right it'd just be this strange

611
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,919
story that you heard and maybe poo poo

612
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,159
it but because i've had yeah years and

613
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:50,720
years of uh first of all an interesting

614
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:53,440
ancient mysteries the anomalies of

615
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,559
science so supernormal experiences uh

616
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,960
you know the whole gamut of strange

617
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:01,039
phenomena you know first of all i'm very

618
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,880
interested in any account that

619
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:04,720
has elements like that but secondly i've

620
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,400
had a lot of my own very strange

621
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,240
experiences including you know psychic

622
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:10,159
phenomena um

623
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,120
an anomalous kinds of events that makes

624
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,120
me predisposed to listen to people and i

625
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,240
don't necessarily believe word for word

626
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,080
everything someone tells me you know

627
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,000
they tell me a strange experience but i

628
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,320
look at it as i'm i believe that

629
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,919
they believe something extraordinary has

630
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:27,440
happened to them you know if they have a

631
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,880
compelling

632
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,320
way of delivering it you know and the

633
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,480
story sounds like it could be real i i

634
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,039
give people the benefit of the doubt but

635
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,200
of course to actually take it on very

636
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,080
seriously i want some evidence right so

637
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,080
you know then to move from i believe you

638
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,600
believe and that's your interpretation

639
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:46,080
of the event to actually i think this is

640
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:47,360
quite accurate you know there's another

641
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,960
transition that has to occur but

642
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:51,360
certainly for me to even take it

643
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,360
seriously you know i think it's been

644
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,799
important to have gone through that

645
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,159
journey you know when my partner

646
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:57,760
obviously she's a shamanic healer you

647
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,880
know i know she's had all kinds of

648
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,480
extraordinary events you know because

649
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,400
you know i live with her

650
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,240
making up stories thinking about her

651
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:05,919
experiences she has you know altered the

652
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,480
states of astral experiences um she

653
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:10,480
works as a professional psychic you know

654
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,840
on the phone so people say you know cold

655
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,520
reading you can't call read people on

656
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,919
telephones and you know for emails with

657
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,240
accurate you know information um and

658
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,320
also still that for me so and i've had

659
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,720
my own experiences with uh mediumship i

660
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,480
trained for a short period as a

661
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:26,799
spiritual medium uh and i've had sort of

662
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:28,559
psychical experiences so what sounds

663
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,799
like kind of telepathic type experience

664
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:32,000
in this you know a transfer of

665
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:33,200
information from

666
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:35,840
some kind of intelligence to the mind of

667
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,440
this individual for me is believable

668
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,200
because i've had experiences where

669
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:43,120
there's been a transfer of information

670
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,000
to my mind from either other people or

671
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,080
from other intelligences so i can

672
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,159
understand these things happen you know

673
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,400
no matter how strange they sound awesome

674
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,240
so now i want to pick back up on the

675
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,400
story because again bruce this is an

676
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:58,000
awesome conversation i love these kind

677
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,840
of conversations i don't know if people

678
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,919
can follow it i just have to do it the

679
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,919
way that seems to organically spring to

680
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,440
mind there's such an interesting

681
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,600
crossover point here because you're

682
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,520
talking about uh

683
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:11,200
one you're talking about shamanic

684
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:14,799
experiences that the aboriginal native

685
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,679
people in australia are having and then

686
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,279
but you're also then and you're talking

687
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:21,360
about your own experiences of

688
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,120
communication in this extended

689
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,840
consciousness realm that doesn't involve

690
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,760
technology but then what you're

691
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,240
introducing us to as well is the

692
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,600
possibility that in this case this

693
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:36,080
communication this non-ordinary

694
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,520
communication

695
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,919
we have to be open to the possibility

696
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:41,279
that it is

697
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:42,799
technology

698
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,760
driven

699
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:45,679
so there's a real interesting crossover

700
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,480
point but jump over to that other side

701
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:50,720
and tell us why you are willing to

702
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:54,840
speculate that this particular charinga

703
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,840
communication had a technology

704
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,000
basis to it

705
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,320
sure you know they the thing really

706
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,159
stood out to me is that there is a you

707
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,000
know in this field of sort of space

708
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,840
sciences you know there's been a lot of

709
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,039
um

710
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,520
speculative thinking on what what would

711
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,520
we look for from an alien intelligence

712
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,039
you know what might they be doing that

713
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,039
we could um kind of find

714
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,880
some compelling evidence of them and one

715
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,799
of them one of the suggestions is that

716
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,120
you know out there intelligences may be

717
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:25,039
exploring the cosmos using their

718
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,640
technologies you know the same way that

719
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,240
we are just beginning to you know we

720
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,240
want to send out solar sails and we're

721
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,080
sending out micro probes the size of

722
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,919
mobile phones is a new plan to explore

723
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:36,159
planets and oceans right so we can

724
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,520
imagine that there's probably

725
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,880
civilizations out there that have done

726
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,720
similar things and and if they've had

727
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:42,960
enough time that they could send quite

728
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:46,159
advanced robots and ai probes and all

729
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:48,080
the rest out into space running their

730
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:49,600
own kind of search for extraterrestrial

731
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,640
intelligence utilizing these autonomous

732
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:55,120
robots you know autonomous ai

733
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,919
now this is of course speculative but it

734
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,240
makes a lot of sense so we have a class

735
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:01,919
of objects they call some brace world

736
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:04,640
probes for the scientist bracelet ronald

737
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:07,039
bracewell uh there's also

738
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:07,760
the

739
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:10,400
uh von neumann probes which

740
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,600
familiar von neumann a lot of people say

741
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,840
von neumann was linked into the ufo

742
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,240
program and into very deep black

743
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:18,080
projects as well connected to the idea

744
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:19,600
of there being some kind of intelligence

745
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,480
interacting with us which is quite

746
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,399
compelling interesting in itself but

747
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,320
these two guys both theorized that there

748
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,240
may be these kind of autonomous ai

749
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,159
probes that could go out explore the

750
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:31,200
universe would be essentially immortal

751
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,720
maybe even have this what they call them

752
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:35,039
self-repair that's volume self-repair so

753
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,640
they can fix themselves if they're

754
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:39,200
damaged uh mine planet services build

755
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:40,640
more copies of themselves all sorts of

756
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,520
ideas around this kind of um brace for a

757
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,000
probe idea now there's also a particular

758
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,679
class of brace world probe that is

759
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:49,919
called a sentinel probe and so these

760
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,799
would be sent out to sit either you know

761
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:54,960
on a surface of a planet or perhaps in

762
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:57,679
orbit and could record any information

763
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,720
you know record anything that's

764
00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:00,159
happening in the biosphere so they

765
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,360
detect an interesting planet with a

766
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:03,600
biosphere say let's say for example like

767
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:07,520
earth earth has had a visible detectable

768
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,640
oxygen signature for two billion years

769
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,880
so if anyone's out there is looking for

770
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,520
biospheres that oxygen signature would

771
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,080
be really interesting so we can imagine

772
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,240
many civilizations sending probes

773
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,000
towards earth over two billion years

774
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,760
that's plenty of time so if any of the

775
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,240
skeptics say oh it's a long way two

776
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,880
billion years is a long time right so

777
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:30,080
there's been plenty of time for these

778
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,760
probes to arrive here a brace or

779
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:33,440
sentinel probe then could just sit and

780
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,320
wait and if a you know a civilization if

781
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:38,880
you know life evolves and a civilization

782
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,000
forms that these could be in theory you

783
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:44,559
know instructed to eventually make

784
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,600
contact with a civilization and act as

785
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,240
the inter-misery of the original alien

786
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,880
civilization that sounds kind of sci-fi

787
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,640
but it's also a lot you know logic to a

788
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:56,080
lot of sense and we can kind of see

789
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,919
ourselves humans heading in the

790
00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,760
direction of doing these kinds of

791
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,159
projects ourselves right when we're not

792
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:04,159
far off doing this

793
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,960
so

794
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,799
when you then hear about an artifact

795
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,559
sort of silica small artifact that's

796
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,600
probably

797
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,279
is linked to the idea beginnings of

798
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,679
times very ancient is sitting there you

799
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:15,919
know somewhere in australia and it

800
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,640
activates and makes contact with people

801
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:20,399
and starts telling them in fact actually

802
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,679
one of the theories is that these things

803
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,520
might have a whole history of humanity

804
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,360
and when they make contact share this

805
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:27,360
with us and so when you hear a story

806
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,080
where that's exactly what happens

807
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,840
that's kind of like the alarm bells

808
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,840
should start ringing also let me go back

809
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:36,080
and make sure we

810
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,240
and we add to the fact of the mythology

811
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,000
air quotes on that one

812
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:44,559
surrounded with this object

813
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,760
it is sacred of sacred uh the other

814
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,080
thing you said super interesting that i

815
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,240
think relates to this story maybe in a

816
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,720
way that we'll get to is that

817
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,960
don't tell everybody about this because

818
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,399
they won't get it

819
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,039
is that again when you said rhyme you

820
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:03,120
know does that rhyme with our current

821
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,559
age when we have people who think the

822
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,799
world is flat you know we have people

823
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:10,880
that drive around in their car

824
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:13,600
by themselves with a mask on there's

825
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:16,480
people there's a gulf that's getting

826
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:19,679
wider and wider between people who are

827
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,200
able to kind of process this kind of

828
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:25,520
advanced knowledge and sort it out and

829
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:28,640
those who just who just can't and so i'd

830
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:31,120
wonder from one from a

831
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,240
you could kind of take the whole thing

832
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:34,640
as mythology but also from a practical

833
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:37,039
standpoint wouldn't that be the way that

834
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:39,679
you would handle advanced information

835
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,399
you'd say look you know just kind of be

836
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,799
careful who you share this with kind of

837
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:46,720
thing and that's the

838
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:50,240
story that comes along with this object

839
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:51,039
yeah

840
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,279
know carl sagan kind of warned of that

841
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:57,519
you know with a a population that has

842
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,880
been essentially dumbed down and is no

843
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,159
longer

844
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,399
everyone but the the direction of travel

845
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,799
is the drumming down of the population

846
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:08,080
and so they have

847
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,960
scientific illiteracy and so that they

848
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,640
no longer stand the technologies that

849
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,720
are being brought out and that suits

850
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,480
the political elite you know that suits

851
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,159
the governing league that because that

852
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,320
allows for anyone who does understand

853
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,399
these things to come along and take

854
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:24,240
control and to manipulate and take

855
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,640
advantage so we're in a situation where

856
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:27,919
a very small number of people would

857
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,240
really understand uh what the

858
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,399
capabilities of our technologies are and

859
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,320
this direction of travel and that you

860
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,760
know how this sort of scenario would

861
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:37,120
make sense a lot of people just sound

862
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:39,039
like oh you know absolutely bonkers but

863
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,640
there would be people sitting in you

864
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,039
know black projects and in top

865
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:45,200
universities who absolutely are looking

866
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,559
for these things you know thinking

867
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,240
that's what we should be seeing let me

868
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,159
just interject one more point because i

869
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,080
think this is also where

870
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,000
this important research that you're

871
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:56,480
doing doing takes us because if we are

872
00:32:02,230 --> 00:31:59,360
going to use this as a way to step back

873
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:02,240
and re-examine everything i think i

874
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:05,600
immediately go to the evil black budget

875
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:08,880
government kind of thing and i say okay

876
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,200
but really isn't that a natural

877
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,120
consequence of

878
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,840
what you would have to do right you you

879
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:17,760
have this gulf like

880
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,159
that like you're saying the dumbing down

881
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,000
forget about dumbing down i don't know

882
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:24,480
that there really is that that evidence

883
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,480
that we've been significantly dumbed

884
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,159
down particularly if you look at a

885
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,399
longer lens of history you know we're

886
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:32,880
certainly much more advanced than people

887
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,080
100 years ago 200 years ago so

888
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,399
maybe this is again the timeline thing

889
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,640
maybe this is the natural progression

890
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:42,799
and maybe the natural progression is

891
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:45,679
that gap just gets loud uh larger and

892
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:49,600
larger and in order to effectively

893
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:53,679
protect civilization you naturally go to

894
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:57,039
black budget secret projects and uh

895
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:58,240
hidden democrat you know forget

896
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,279
democracy just kind of rule by

897
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,200
the elites kind of thing i'm not saying

898
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,120
i want that i'm not saying i vote in

899
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:07,519
favor of that i'm saying doesn't this

900
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:10,480
research cause us to maybe say wow how

901
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:13,200
would how did they do it how would we do

902
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,480
it differently kind of thing you have

903
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:16,399
any thoughts on that

904
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:17,519
yeah i mean it's you know it's

905
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:19,279
interesting the

906
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,480
the angler

907
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,000
how could we have a better model and you

908
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,399
know is that the best model for humanity

909
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:25,919
because you know

910
00:33:30,750 --> 00:33:29,039
i do recognize and again from

911
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:30,760
researching widely you know in a

912
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,159
multi-disciplinary kind of fashion that

913
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,720
not all human brains are the same now

914
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:38,159
i'm not gonna there's no you can't say

915
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:39,760
there's any racial group or something

916
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:42,640
others do but we know now that across

917
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,200
the board you have

918
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:46,880
neurodiversity right you know i'm a

919
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:50,159
person with dyslexia and asperger traits

920
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,600
so i'm not the same as someone who

921
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,440
doesn't have dyslexia that there are

922
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,960
differences you know intellectual

923
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,559
different differences because of

924
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,039
structures in the brain there are people

925
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,679
who are more capable of big picture

926
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:03,760
thinking and of understanding the

927
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,960
interlinking of subject now if

928
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,960
some of those people decided that

929
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:11,280
perhaps they felt they knew best and

930
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,000
maybe in some ways they did know better

931
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,240
than a lot of people you could imagine

932
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,399
how they might work together to try and

933
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,720
run the world in a certain way where

934
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:22,639
they genuinely feel that they were

935
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,240
uniquely qualified and capable to do it

936
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:27,760
because they can see there are people

937
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:30,800
who are incapable of that level of big

938
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:33,280
picture thinking now it doesn't mean

939
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,079
they've got it right but the underlying

940
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:38,879
idea is actually kind of logical makes

941
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:40,879
sense i can definitely see how it

942
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,520
happens i can understand how networks of

943
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,839
people form you know and we have these

944
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,359
kind of secret societies where they

945
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,679
carry information that they feel

946
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,679
most people won't make use of and won't

947
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:53,919
even understand but though at some point

948
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,480
will be invaluable to their networks and

949
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,640
so it's transitioned through to now and

950
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,880
as things change in our society they can

951
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,960
refer to that and say well that that's

952
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,800
useful now we have the technology to

953
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,320
make use of that and that could help

954
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,640
form the world in a certain way that we

955
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:11,359
think is for the best for the species

956
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,160
right

957
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:15,119
now the best of the species doesn't mean

958
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,640
very nice things for all the individuals

959
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,160
and that that's the problem you end up

960
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,599
in a decision where

961
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,200
you know it's a bit like the spock when

962
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,880
they say you know for the greater good

963
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,320
you know that sometimes what's it the

964
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,839
needs of the many outweigh the needs of

965
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,680
the few right and that's really

966
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,880
problematic morally that's really

967
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,800
problematic because what about the few

968
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,400
aren't they equally important as the

969
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,040
many and so you know you end up with

970
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,440
this thing of it is it ever okay to sort

971
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,760
of say well you know some people are

972
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,920
gonna have to be thrown to the fire to

973
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:44,000
make this perfect world and i think

974
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,520
that's the situation we're in it is

975
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,880
complex i know people don't like to

976
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:48,240
think about that these people may

977
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,599
generally think they're doing the best

978
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,200
and because they feel they're uniquely

979
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,320
qualified i i just uh and that that's

980
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,240
also true from a scientific perspective

981
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,320
and a lot of people i think who are uber

982
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,960
logical rational and super smart can get

983
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:02,960
to the same place just interviewed dr

984
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,920
dean rayden love dr dean rayden so

985
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,000
respect his work he's been on this show

986
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,400
for 15 years and he comes on and he

987
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,480
gives the transhumanism speech he's the

988
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:14,160
guy who more than anyone else has kind

989
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,040
of

990
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:18,560
exposed the consciousness as an illusion

991
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:21,760
uh conspiracy materialist science you

992
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:22,640
know

993
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:25,520
he his experiments six sigma results

994
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:27,760
replicated around the world completely

995
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,440
dispelled that but where does he come to

996
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,160
at the end he goes hey uh i i you know

997
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,280
genetic genetic modification in order to

998
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:38,240
get us towards a hive mind like bees

999
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:40,720
maybe that's not such a bad thing

1000
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:43,040
and i played that and i was like

1001
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,320
dean

1002
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,520
but

1003
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,520
so the point is whether you agree with

1004
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,280
dean or whether you don't agree with

1005
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:53,280
dean and i don't agree with dean for a

1006
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,480
lot of other reasons

1007
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,440
that uh what what to make of this from a

1008
00:37:03,349 --> 00:36:59,599
spiritual level i think has to come into

1009
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:03,359
play but the point is super smart guy

1010
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,400
super plugged in guy he's gotten

1011
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,000
millions and probably hundreds of

1012
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,079
millions of dollars behind him for this

1013
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:12,720
latest startup that he's doing

1014
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,320
that will actually operationalize

1015
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,280
genetic engineering through the jab

1016
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,760
through a different jab but a jab that

1017
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,760
will make you more psychic that will

1018
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:25,520
give you a hive mind

1019
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,720
this is not this is not sci-fi folks go

1020
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:31,040
listen to the interview

1021
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,040
and go look at the fact that the guy is

1022
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:35,520
at point moved from northern california

1023
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,880
to bise to boise idaho to join forces

1024
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:40,560
with another guy who's been doing this

1025
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,400
research and they have a a biogenetic

1026
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,160
startup i mean

1027
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:48,160
this is what we're talking about here

1028
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:51,040
bruce how this stuff intersects so with

1029
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,560
that let's leap back into the story

1030
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:56,800
hopefully people have a context of you

1031
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,200
hear now that you're hearing this you're

1032
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:02,320
hearing the tringa you're hearing uh you

1033
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,000
know

1034
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:06,880
so how do you go about here's the here's

1035
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,800
the cool thing about your story how do

1036
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,400
you go about

1037
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,839
switching hats

1038
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:13,680
putting on your science hat and say wait

1039
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:16,640
a minute here's something i can sink my

1040
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,040
teeth into as a scientist

1041
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,280
yeah i mean it was um quite a transition

1042
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,520
really because you know you go from

1043
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:27,359
having some level of information that

1044
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,880
suggests something may really have

1045
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,119
happened now that's personally

1046
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,119
compelling but if if you're going to go

1047
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:35,680
out and say to people this extraordinary

1048
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:38,640
thing really happened i mean that takes

1049
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,119
a a whole different level of supporting

1050
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,440
evidence and knowledge of a topic area

1051
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:45,280
because of course you're going at some

1052
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:48,240
point have to stand and defend your

1053
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,560
claims against someone who is an expert

1054
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:51,839
in some of the topics that you're

1055
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:54,160
dealing with you know in a level where

1056
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,520
you know they've maybe spent 20 years

1057
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,200
looking at saying whether it's genetics

1058
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:58,720
tech type somebody who spent their

1059
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,520
career on that now at some point they're

1060
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:03,599
going to say hang on a minute what's the

1061
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,640
earth is he saying so unless you have a

1062
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,480
very very deep knowledge you realize

1063
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:10,960
that you're only going to kind of bring

1064
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,440
on board the most open-minded people who

1065
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,359
really already kind of thought the same

1066
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,359
thing as you right they were already

1067
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:18,960
convinced like yeah but we totally agree

1068
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,040
i always knew it was that

1069
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,880
well have you really convinced someone

1070
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:24,320
then if they always knew it was that or

1071
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:25,839
they just think he's all you know he's

1072
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:29,119
come on board with me now so so i really

1073
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,720
had to realize that that's not good

1074
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,640
enough to have those people come on

1075
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:34,240
board because they you know they don't

1076
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,079
need any evidence from you really

1077
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,640
so to get to those other people who

1078
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,800
would benefit from that understanding

1079
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:43,200
and who you feel it would be important

1080
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,880
to have them look at it

1081
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,400
you need to be able to drill down and

1082
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:48,560
find okay so where is the most solid

1083
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,280
evidence that supports my convictions or

1084
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,760
my you know my direction of thinking

1085
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:55,119
and that that

1086
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,040
took really a deep dive going into

1087
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:01,280
dozens and dozens of you know scientific

1088
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:04,160
studies on these topics ranging from the

1089
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,680
particularly on the tech type topic but

1090
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,359
yes in genetic engineering you know

1091
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,040
genetic engineering the genetics of

1092
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:12,000
human beings you know paleogenomics

1093
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,280
then of course into you know look

1094
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,440
reading papers on ai you know the

1095
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,680
theories of these graceful probes keep

1096
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:19,040
pulling you in these other directions

1097
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,640
and don't don't give you a chance to

1098
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,560
kind of give this thumbnail sketch that

1099
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:24,880
i know people hey if you're not familiar

1100
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,000
with this work sorry you gotta go

1101
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:30,160
read the book which you gotta do and

1102
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,440
then you gotta go

1103
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,359
watch the video that we did and then

1104
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:35,280
this is like the next level kind of

1105
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:37,520
stuff and i'm not gonna apologize for

1106
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:38,640
that but

1107
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:42,000
thumbnail sketch remind people the three

1108
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,440
the three things you decided to focus on

1109
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:48,480
that because again as a scientist

1110
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,400
even knowing what questions to ask is is

1111
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:55,280
so important so difficult to do so you

1112
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,560
said okay

1113
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:58,880
here are three things that i might

1114
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:01,680
should be able to find if they're real

1115
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,560
if i'm going to test my own theory in a

1116
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:06,960
way that you just said i i could really

1117
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:09,440
convince people what are the three give

1118
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,119
us at the highlight before we go into

1119
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:13,440
them dive into them sure absolutely so

1120
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,720
amongst the claims from this account

1121
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,160
were

1122
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:20,000
this idea that first of all they'd been

1123
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,160
an enormous craft a silica ai craft a

1124
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,160
conscious craft flight that had arrived

1125
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:27,599
here you know hundreds of thousands of

1126
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:28,640
years ago

1127
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:31,599
and that had been destroyed in orbit

1128
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:33,920
showering down molten silica material

1129
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,160
across the planet so that stood out i

1130
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:38,000
thought that's big that's a big event

1131
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,680
you know there could be some traces of

1132
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:41,760
that so that was like number one

1133
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:44,480
the the second one was there was an

1134
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,839
account of there being a

1135
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:49,440
engineered multi-directional asteroid

1136
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,319
bombardment so kind of almost like a

1137
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,200
a planetary um

1138
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:56,880
re-engineering the system planets you

1139
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,680
know on that scale you know it's

1140
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:59,599
multiple objects hitting the planet's

1141
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,079
surface but well that surely also you

1142
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,079
know is going to leave some traces that

1143
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:06,480
we can find geological records and

1144
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:09,040
lastly this idea that you know human

1145
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:10,560
beings had

1146
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:13,760
an ancestor that had been genetically

1147
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:16,480
re-engineered you know again in the same

1148
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,160
period so all of these things also

1149
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,280
happening tightly in time not just in

1150
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:22,960
space on this planet

1151
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:25,680
important point to interject here

1152
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,040
these three points and a bunch of other

1153
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,520
stuff is time stamped

1154
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,400
from the charinga into a book that is

1155
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,400
published that people can go back and

1156
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,079
look at the original publication date i

1157
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,839
think it's 2003.

1158
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:41,119
explain

1159
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,720
you pulled you off that story but we

1160
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,480
have a timestamp of saying okay this is

1161
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,800
the information that came through from

1162
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:50,640
the bracewell probe

1163
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:53,680
through the head of valerie burrow

1164
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:57,040
right 2003 right and it lays it all out

1165
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:58,480
yeah exactly so people can go away they

1166
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,319
can read it you know el tringa when the

1167
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,400
first ancestors were created and say yes

1168
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:04,960
it's been out there since 2003 so it's

1169
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,200
not just you know uh something that's

1170
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,880
been verbally shared and that you know

1171
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:11,040
be hard to confirm that this was

1172
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:14,000
actually said long ago you know says out

1173
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,599
there and that's important too because

1174
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,359
of course people otherwise can say well

1175
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,040
you know could be just fitting this

1176
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:21,599
story to recent discoveries right that

1177
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:23,359
somebody just oh come on i can make a

1178
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,720
sort of story about that and do some

1179
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,720
conferences also you know which

1180
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,880
absolutely i i would understand those

1181
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:30,960
kind of accusations but because we have

1182
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,599
it already out there you know published

1183
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,160
we're able to say well this account is

1184
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,480
describing things that a person well if

1185
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,400
they're real the person couldn't know by

1186
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:42,560
conventional means say that because for

1187
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:44,960
example this multi-directional asteroid

1188
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,240
bombardment

1189
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:48,960
yes there is an event like that but it

1190
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,839
wasn't known until 2016.

1191
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,720
so

1192
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,560
that straight away is problematic for

1193
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,760
people that say you know they're just

1194
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:57,680
basing a story around known events well

1195
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,800
that wasn't a known event um we also

1196
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,640
have well really one interesting thing

1197
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,079
is that in the book there's no mention

1198
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,000
of you know australia textiles that i

1199
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:08,240
focus on so again it's not fitting to

1200
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,359
somebody's narrative there's a

1201
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,760
description of a craft there's material

1202
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,440
and what i found which isn't mentioned

1203
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,280
that you know is that yes there is this

1204
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:17,359
debris that fits the description so

1205
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:18,640
again it's not someone else has made a

1206
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:20,000
story saying these tech types were from

1207
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,839
across you know i have found that they

1208
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,000
mesh with the description

1209
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:26,319
and the timing and then of course this

1210
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,400
genetic engineering part which in some

1211
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:30,560
ways is the most difficult to confirm

1212
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:33,760
because you know we are at a point where

1213
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:35,760
genetics and evolution are not fully

1214
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,880
understood so someone could say well

1215
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,640
maybe there's just some process we don't

1216
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,359
understand okay which i accept but there

1217
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,119
are anomalies

1218
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,520
which are indicative of engineering in

1219
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:49,440
the past at around that same time

1220
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,079
because that's when the ancestors of

1221
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:54,560
neanderthals denisovans and us

1222
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,280
have

1223
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,119
significant changes going on in the

1224
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,520
genome that changed the brain massively

1225
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:01,440
change our brain structure right so

1226
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,119
that's having the same time so we have

1227
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:04,960
these three things all having the same

1228
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,520
time that are indicated in this account

1229
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:09,839
okay and here's where it gets even more

1230
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:12,880
super interesting because there's some

1231
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:15,680
new science so you are

1232
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,160
truly a scientist you're constantly

1233
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,720
reading papers you're constantly taking

1234
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,960
in new information you're testing it

1235
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:25,200
testing it against the theory and one of

1236
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,000
the things you alerted me to is that hey

1237
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,720
alex i have looked into the tech type

1238
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,119
thing and boom there's some new

1239
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:35,359
information that i want to share and

1240
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,000
it's more up to date similarly we're

1241
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:40,560
going to talk in a minute about the uh

1242
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:42,800
human acceleration regions and the

1243
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:45,520
genetics associated with that again new

1244
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,480
information

1245
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,800
has come forward that has changed that

1246
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:50,800
timeline in the way that we understand

1247
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:54,240
it it happens to totally fit in your

1248
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:56,560
theory so we're going to talk about both

1249
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,920
of those

1250
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,000
the the basics of it and then the new

1251
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,720
science of it let's start with the

1252
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,720
tektites

1253
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,560
yeah absolutely so we've been working on

1254
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,720
a paper about the text heights for quite

1255
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:10,560
a while now um

1256
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:13,280
what i realized is that to make an

1257
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,400
argument

1258
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,520
that

1259
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,800
you know something really strong has

1260
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,680
happened first of all you have to you

1261
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,240
know what is the strongest

1262
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:23,040
area of evidence that we have out of

1263
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,079
these these different topic areas and my

1264
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,160
realization was it was in this tech type

1265
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,079
machine and if you aren't familiar with

1266
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:32,960
tektites tektites are a kind of melt

1267
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:35,920
glass now they uh there's there's a few

1268
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:37,119
kinds of milks you have of course you

1269
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,760
have

1270
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:39,920
impact glasses which you find around you

1271
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,720
know asteroid craters right which i

1272
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,200
most maybe are familiar with we have of

1273
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,599
course volcanic glasses

1274
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:49,359
and then you have you know human-made

1275
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,640
glasses i mean this kind of other kind

1276
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,319
of like lightning glasses like full

1277
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:54,880
garages but they're quite different um

1278
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,599
tektites are a particularly strange type

1279
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,440
of glass because although they are they

1280
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:01,920
are generally held to be

1281
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:04,880
a type of asteroid impact glass they are

1282
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,319
far more alike to volcanic glasses and

1283
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,560
artificial glasses and there's a number

1284
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:12,400
of reasons i'll give a very quick

1285
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:14,240
overview of why and this is why this

1286
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,599
tech type topic remains a mystery and

1287
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,920
controversial with ongoing discussion

1288
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,680
around how tech types formed and that's

1289
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:24,000
200 years this has been going on just to

1290
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:26,160
be clear 200 years detective subject has

1291
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:26,880
been

1292
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,960
debated with different points of view on

1293
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,960
the the story of how they formed and how

1294
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,880
they are distributed now the

1295
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,559
distribution is interesting because they

1296
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,040
are found in strewn fields enormous um

1297
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,839
just enormous fields of debris

1298
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,599
stretching for you know hundreds or

1299
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,079
thousands of kilometers in the case of

1300
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,640
the australasian strewn field we are

1301
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:48,319
talking about a debris field that is

1302
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,520
around 12 000 kilometers long going from

1303
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:54,240
china to antarctica and out of the edges

1304
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:55,920
to kind of madagascar and out into the

1305
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,480
ocean beyond papua right about another

1306
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,119
10 000 kilometers across or something so

1307
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,760
about 20 of the earth's surface

1308
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:05,599
is covered in these australasian

1309
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:07,119
textiles so that's a first of all it's

1310
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,400
enormous so we're talking about an event

1311
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:10,880
that is just you know massive in scale

1312
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:14,319
and these these tektites have um

1313
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:15,119
two

1314
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:16,400
really important considerations first

1315
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,319
thing is that they are very homogeneous

1316
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,160
that is the the chemicals in them are

1317
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,040
very well mixed throughout the entire

1318
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:25,200
body of the material across all of that

1319
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,720
distance the second means they're very

1320
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,480
well fined and people are familiar with

1321
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,160
glass making understand the fining

1322
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,960
process of glass is so removing the

1323
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,800
bubbles and to remove you know removing

1324
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,400
the chemicals you don't want in there so

1325
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,160
you heat it to a certain temperature

1326
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:39,760
over a certain period of time certain

1327
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,400
chemicals so you mix it you allow the

1328
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:44,400
bubbling and you end up with you know

1329
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,280
these high quality glasses right a

1330
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,200
similar process happens with volcanic

1331
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:51,680
glass because it's heated in a caldera

1332
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:54,160
over a period of time so again

1333
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:57,200
homogenous uh you know material how does

1334
00:49:01,430 --> 00:49:00,000
that differ from what we'd find from an

1335
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:01,440
asteroid

1336
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,280
foamy so in other words they are full of

1337
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,880
bubbles and the reason why is because

1338
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,240
when an asteroid impacts and this is

1339
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:12,000
you'll find the same at nuclear blast

1340
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,359
sites if anyone's familiar with nuclear

1341
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,520
blast glasses they're very similar to

1342
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,280
asteroid impact glasses for the same

1343
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,599
reason very quick events you know high

1344
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,280
energy high pressure events but

1345
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,520
short-lived so you get a lot of material

1346
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,760
melted but around the edges especially a

1347
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:27,119
lot of bubbles in it because it heats

1348
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,559
very quick then it cools very fast so

1349
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:31,359
the bubbles are trapped right and so you

1350
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,559
anyone wants to look up them they'll

1351
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,839
find images they'll find they're very

1352
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:35,680
bubbly the other thing is they contain

1353
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:38,559
part melt so pieces of partially melted

1354
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,520
stone

1355
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,119
right makes sense at the edge of the

1356
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:43,040
blast zone you get part melt your

1357
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,000
inclusions of unmelted stone or sand you

1358
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,000
also get inclusions of organic materials

1359
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,559
are you soils right so that's a kind of

1360
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:52,480
a typical also the glass is almost

1361
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,240
identical chemically to the crater rock

1362
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,319
because it's just the crater melted

1363
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,800
right so it's almost interesting and

1364
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:02,960
you'll find that blast around the crater

1365
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:05,280
and usually to a maximum of 400

1366
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,000
kilometers from the crater right and

1367
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,240
that's because when anything explodes no

1368
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,319
matter how fast that material leaves if

1369
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,559
it's about hyper velocity debris called

1370
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,720
distal ejector right so when this

1371
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,119
material is thrown out of the crater no

1372
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,359
matter how fast it's going

1373
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:23,680
it falls by around 400 kilometers the

1374
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,839
reason for that is because the air ahead

1375
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,520
of it is being compressed so it's

1376
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,920
dealing with friction gravity and

1377
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,520
obviously the air that's compressing

1378
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,119
ahead of it so if you imagine a bullet

1379
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:34,800
going through water you know it's

1380
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,640
stopped pretty quick this is a similar

1381
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,160
kind of scenario no matter how fast it's

1382
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,440
going it's meeting that opposition and

1383
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,839
it will be slowed and it will drop to

1384
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,760
not much further than 400 kilometers

1385
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:47,040
some people have some scientists

1386
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:51,440
estimate maybe a thousand so compared to

1387
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:56,800
a huge giant small moon size spaceship

1388
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,440
that is orbiting the earth and is hit by

1389
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,079
uh some kind of high energy weapon that

1390
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,480
we can't begin to understand

1391
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,960
how does what you find

1392
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,400
fit that

1393
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:13,200
completely ridiculous to a lot of people

1394
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,920
but

1395
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,079
potential scenario

1396
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,079
how does it fit well there's

1397
00:51:21,710 --> 00:51:20,400
two things like two things i have to say

1398
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:21,720
you can look at this the most

1399
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,880
conservative conclusion of my work i

1400
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:26,720
would suggest is that you're dealing

1401
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:29,839
with an interstellar object an unknown

1402
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,640
type of interstellar object okay so some

1403
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:33,839
people may be

1404
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:35,920
only willing to go as far as that but

1405
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:38,480
the indications are that this has to be

1406
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:41,839
a glassy object right a highly silica

1407
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,559
glassy object in other words it appears

1408
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,720
it was already made of glass fined

1409
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,400
homogenous glass

1410
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:50,480
before it exploded

1411
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,480
because as you just described if it's

1412
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,720
made of a bunch of other stuff then

1413
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,040
we're going to find all that other stuff

1414
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:59,280
in the tektites right well so yeah and

1415
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,040
if it's homogeneous if the tektites are

1416
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,200
homogeneous and well-fined and they

1417
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:05,280
didn't have time for that to occur

1418
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,040
because they're not in a caldera they're

1419
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:09,520
not in a you know in an industrial plant

1420
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:12,160
being heated for hours right so this

1421
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:15,599
infers that there was not time for the

1422
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,000
the body to be melted into a fine

1423
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:20,720
homogenous glass so we should be seeing

1424
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:23,359
frothy foamy poorly mixed materials but

1425
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,079
we're not so the inference is that the

1426
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:29,119
parent body whatever it was was already

1427
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,720
made of glass like homogenous find glass

1428
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,119
now that's a problem because what kind

1429
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:37,520
of object is flying around out there

1430
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,280
it's a big silica glass body there's no

1431
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:43,839
comets or asteroids or anything like

1432
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,480
that known in our solar system so you

1433
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:48,559
have to go to either an exotic

1434
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,960
interstellar object that's natural but

1435
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,720
again you have to explain how

1436
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:54,720
that's formed right

1437
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:55,599
or

1438
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:00,640
somebody has made this this is this is

1439
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:03,599
find homogeneous materials somebody has

1440
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:06,079
fined it somebody has mixed it somebody

1441
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:08,079
has made it and the problems are with

1442
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,839
the interstellar object hypothesis again

1443
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,599
this is there was a couple guys back in

1444
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:12,960
the days at nasa kind of asked the

1445
00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:15,599
question could this parent body be at

1446
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:17,920
least an interplanetary object

1447
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,079
at the time that the the the two

1448
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:22,480
positions were it was luna like lunar

1449
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:23,599
volcanic

1450
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,839
glass they've been blown off of the moon

1451
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,680
and again for this very reason that they

1452
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,280
they understood this appeared to be

1453
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,520
already glass and to have come from

1454
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,440
space so a lot of the nasa guys were

1455
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,839
arguing this had to be lunar material

1456
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,680
that theory collapsed when we retrieved

1457
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:39,760
lunar materials and realized it did not

1458
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,559
mesh with lunar rock right but their

1459
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,000
argument was very sound and one of the

1460
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,000
guys actually said well look what about

1461
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,760
if it came from interplanetary space or

1462
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:49,200
somewhere further out they said well

1463
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,400
that's a problem no one can tell that

1464
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,160
seriously because

1465
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:54,000
what's the chances of first like an

1466
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:55,920
object like that but also that it ends

1467
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:59,119
up in a geocentric orbit like so see

1468
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,319
then you start getting to this really

1469
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:02,000
straightforward yeah what's the chances

1470
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,440
that we're going to capture there's an

1471
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:05,119
anomalous object and it's going to come

1472
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:06,880
in at just the right speed and angle to

1473
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:09,119
be caught in a geocentric orbit how do

1474
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:10,960
you know it was orbiting

1475
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,119
so two questions one how do you know it

1476
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,599
was orbiting more science there that you

1477
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:17,040
know but the other thing that you

1478
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:18,480
alluded to i want to make sure we

1479
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:21,280
highlight it you say these nasa guys

1480
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,839
were debating it again this speaks to

1481
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:26,079
what you're saying before 200 year old

1482
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:27,359
mystery

1483
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:28,559
utai

1484
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:31,440
reference nassau papers where these

1485
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,079
scientists are speculating about the

1486
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:36,559
very thing that you're studying so this

1487
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,760
is not this is like that part of it is

1488
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:42,400
mainstream the mystery is mainstream the

1489
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:44,799
data that you're using is mainstream

1490
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,520
verifiable so then

1491
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:49,359
i just want people to understand that

1492
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:52,400
orbit how do we know it's orbiting bruce

1493
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:53,200
right

1494
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,040
we know it's orbiting because there's a

1495
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,440
reason if you imagine uh so you imagine

1496
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:59,520
like say a comet something comes in from

1497
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,799
space you say let's say we thought that

1498
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:03,040
this was some sort of glassy comet came

1499
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:04,960
in from space now

1500
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:07,680
if it comes directly in and breaks up in

1501
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:10,480
our atmosphere you end up with a very

1502
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:13,040
small strewn field underneath because it

1503
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:14,240
will just break up you'll just rain down

1504
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:15,760
directly beneath where it's coming in or

1505
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:18,160
an impact you know as we've touched on

1506
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,359
there's a problem with the impact theory

1507
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,359
but if we say that it broke up coming

1508
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:23,200
into the atmosphere you would end up

1509
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:24,640
with i think they estimated something

1510
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:28,000
like um about 10 kilometer wide field or

1511
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:29,680
something like that very small but what

1512
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:32,079
we've got is a 10 000 kilometer wide

1513
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:33,839
field so said the only way that this

1514
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:35,920
works out is if we have a body that has

1515
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,520
been captured and is in orbit and then

1516
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,920
it breaks apart fragments and a high

1517
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:43,280
temperature because it has to you know

1518
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,000
has

1519
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:46,079
basically sort of blown up it's melted

1520
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:47,599
to liquid we know it was melted to

1521
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,040
liquid because

1522
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,839
the the tectites begin before they enter

1523
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,599
atmosphere these tactics the separate

1524
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,440
pieces are spherical

1525
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,359
right and have frozen very quickly so

1526
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:59,599
fast that there's no crystallization has

1527
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,880
occurred and that would occur if there

1528
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:03,119
was an extended cooling so we know the

1529
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,240
only place where that's really going to

1530
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:06,640
happen is in a vacuum right so if you

1531
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:08,960
get this material is melted to

1532
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:11,599
superheated to glass at 2700 kelvin

1533
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:14,319
roughly and then it is it becomes glass

1534
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:15,920
droplets they form spheres because

1535
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:18,240
they're in space so that's the nasa guys

1536
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:19,599
they're looking at saying well that has

1537
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:21,040
to be that they can see that the tech

1538
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:22,720
type buttons which are a particular type

1539
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:25,119
of these tactiles then show secondary

1540
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:27,760
melting with aerodynamic shaping so he

1541
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,040
said in other words these have skipped

1542
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,520
along the edge of the atmosphere very

1543
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:33,680
angles almost horizontal to the plane of

1544
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,599
the planet so very very um gentle angles

1545
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:39,599
skipping along and then slowly entering

1546
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:41,920
which allows time for heating of the

1547
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,319
front of the sphere there's a lot of

1548
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,480
sphere evaporates but the front edge

1549
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:48,319
means to run backwards and you get these

1550
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:50,160
aerodynamic shapes they look like the

1551
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,240
front of bullets almost because you know

1552
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,240
aerodynamic shapes right so

1553
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:56,720
they could understand that these had to

1554
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:59,200
be on these gentle angles the only way

1555
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,400
that you'd end up with that is if the

1556
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:02,720
parent body is in orbit and what you

1557
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,559
have really is a debris field that is

1558
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,640
continuing on in the orbital parts of

1559
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:08,799
the parent body but they're now entering

1560
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,280
decaying orbital paths because it's

1561
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:13,440
fragmented it's blown apart and some of

1562
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,680
them are now gently skipping along the

1563
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,680
edge of atmosphere and entering so if

1564
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,040
you come in at any other angles for

1565
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:20,720
example if you think of a normal

1566
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:23,599
meteorite when it comes in comes super

1567
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:26,799
fast from space first of all and what

1568
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,160
you get is

1569
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,160
absolute extreme heating of the outer

1570
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:32,240
surface it evaporates and that's we get

1571
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,599
these and they just come down almost the

1572
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:35,040
same shape as they were those chunks you

1573
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,040
know misshapen chunks there's no

1574
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,520
aerodynamic shaping on meteorites they

1575
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:41,280
come in so fast that all that happens is

1576
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,359
the outer layer evaporates and that's

1577
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:45,440
why these button tectites are unique you

1578
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,040
don't find them anywhere else and that's

1579
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,040
an important point in the 4.6 billion

1580
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:51,599
years of history these are the only

1581
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,079
known examples right so if these were

1582
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:56,799
just from any old meteorites you would

1583
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:59,119
see these all over the planet right at

1584
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,960
various sites you don't you find them

1585
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:02,880
once and so the nasa guys ran their

1586
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,119
experiments at the nasa ames um research

1587
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,359
lab they did wind tunnel research using

1588
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:09,839
artificial glass spheres to see how you

1589
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:12,079
could shape these and they found that

1590
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:14,640
they had to come in around about

1591
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:17,359
about 10 to 14

1592
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,319
kilometers per second and angles also 90

1593
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,400
degree angles roughly and that you would

1594
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,160
end up with this kind of shaping so all

1595
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,079
that all that research was done by the

1596
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:28,319
nasa guys right they worked out this had

1597
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:31,359
to be coming in from something in orbit

1598
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:32,880
when it broke up

1599
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:35,280
none of the other maps works you know i

1600
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,640
don't have to do the mouse thankfully

1601
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:38,160
they've done all that

1602
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,520
and they found that that is the only

1603
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:41,040
scenario where you end up with these

1604
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,200
tech type buttons

1605
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:45,599
what do we know and do we know anything

1606
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:48,960
new about the timing and again this is

1607
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:51,200
like you've already mentioned this point

1608
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:52,960
it's very basic

1609
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,960
but when i heard this interview you did

1610
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:56,640
where the guy was totally hung up on

1611
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:59,520
this you're looking to falsify the

1612
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:01,119
narrative that's what you're really

1613
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:03,920
doing and people mistakenly look that

1614
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:05,599
you're looking to

1615
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:08,720
cherry pick and retrofit into it and

1616
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,040
you're doing the opposite you are trying

1617
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,680
to debunk your own theory and then what

1618
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,599
comes out in terms of the date of the

1619
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:17,119
tektites and what's come out more

1620
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,559
recently

1621
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:20,880
yeah i mean this first says well in in

1622
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:23,280
the original account you know

1623
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,040
valerie barrow actually she suggests

1624
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,359
that she feels that the debris from this

1625
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,760
craft is molded like tech types so it's

1626
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:31,680
still tectites but you know if i was

1627
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,799
going to be cherry-picking and just

1628
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,040
trying to establish this narrative i

1629
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,520
would be trying to argue that moldavites

1630
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:39,839
fit the story right and they're trying

1631
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,480
to make the science fit that somehow

1632
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,160
these are the right age you know the

1633
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:46,319
right characteristics but i didn't find

1634
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:47,920
that i found that they did not fit

1635
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,240
because the dating on them is millions

1636
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,480
of years old

1637
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,040
but with the the australasian tektite

1638
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,880
the most recent dating is done by the

1639
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:58,559
argonne dating method so you know

1640
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:01,440
geological dating methods uh it they

1641
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:02,960
come to what is considered now the most

1642
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:05,920
accurate dating of 788

1643
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,559
000 years ago that this glass formed you

1644
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:11,040
know this melt occurred to this glass so

1645
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,480
don't tell you how the old the parent

1646
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:14,480
object is but it tells you when that

1647
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,480
melting occurred to form these

1648
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:18,480
individual techniques so that's at the

1649
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:21,040
as it stands is the most accurate dating

1650
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,880
again not done by me you know this is

1651
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:24,880
obviously done by people with labs that

1652
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,040
can do argon dating so as you know as

1653
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:29,040
ever i rely on that so that's where

1654
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:30,240
we're at with the dating so that's quite

1655
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,440
solid

1656
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,440
you know unless you know

1657
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,119
they somehow are contested but even if

1658
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,720
you look at the older datings they're

1659
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:38,319
all somewhere in that range you know

1660
01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:39,440
they're certainly in the last few years

1661
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,160
the datings have been done around 780

1662
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:43,839
000 years of source when we were talking

1663
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:46,960
before i was saying 780 000 but the most

1664
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,000
accurate dating now is 788 000.

1665
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:52,960
excellent so anything else on the

1666
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,599
tektites uh before we move to the

1667
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,440
genetic stuff which is

1668
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:59,760
super fascinating

1669
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:00,960
yeah i mean the first i say is that you

1670
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:04,319
know in in many ways the tech type area

1671
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:05,599
of this

1672
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:08,079
can be quite easily just disconnected

1673
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,760
from the whole story for people that

1674
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:11,760
don't like you know stories of people's

1675
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,319
anecdotal accounts of having told

1676
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,319
something had happened you know i i feel

1677
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:18,400
the tech type part is a stand-alone

1678
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:20,000
topic because at this point i don't

1679
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:22,480
really care as such whether or not

1680
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:24,559
people believe in whether or not an

1681
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:27,200
elder uh you know and another lady had

1682
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,880
an encounter with an object they can

1683
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:30,319
sign themselves but what i can say to

1684
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:31,359
them is

1685
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,640
tektites are a existing scientific

1686
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:36,640
mystery that is survived that's a

1687
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:39,040
mystery for 200 years with the greatest

1688
01:01:44,710 --> 01:01:42,079
minds thrown in it nasa's facilities are

1689
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,720
above and used to explore them it's a

1690
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:47,040
genuine persisting mystery and that the

1691
01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:48,319
evidence

1692
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:51,440
points to this being from an anomalous

1693
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:54,240
type of object exploding in orbit now i

1694
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:55,760
don't really care whether people want to

1695
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:59,280
believe in talking probes or you know or

1696
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:01,200
elders having perhaps you know if that

1697
01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:02,720
is a problem for someone i would say

1698
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:06,319
well just look at this tech type plan

1699
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:09,520
and go from there because i'm so

1700
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:12,000
confident in the kind of the the level

1701
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,760
of evidence to at least

1702
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:15,760
and again most conservative conclusion

1703
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:18,079
at least support the

1704
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:20,000
the argument that it is an interstellar

1705
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:22,799
object with an anomalous composition

1706
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,880
breaking up in orbit that you know i'm

1707
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,160
quite for somebody if they stop then

1708
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:29,280
just say well that in itself is massive

1709
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,799
even if they go no further than that

1710
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:32,720
because that's an entire new class of

1711
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,960
objects and the earliest known example

1712
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,200
of an interstellar you know object

1713
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:39,680
arriving here and it's doing strange

1714
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:41,520
things so that's what i'd suggest to

1715
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,039
anyone who's who doesn't want to go

1716
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:45,039
there with any of the other elements

1717
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:46,960
just ponder that for a moment and by all

1718
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:49,440
means check check everything i'm saying

1719
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:51,119
look at the papers you know if you have

1720
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:52,079
a question

1721
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,400
ask me

1722
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:56,160
how about that you know

1723
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:58,079
the most some of the most important

1724
01:03:01,910 --> 01:03:00,400
research we could possibly do and you

1725
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:01,920
can ask them a question that's just

1726
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:04,559
fantastic talk about human accelerated

1727
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:05,839
regions

1728
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:06,799
sure

1729
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,880
so i mean i i personally think that you

1730
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:10,799
know the genomic seti aspect in the

1731
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:13,440
story is absolutely fascinating and

1732
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:14,640
amazing something we should definitely

1733
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:17,200
be going into and a few years ago and

1734
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:18,720
just before i appreciate it a little bit

1735
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:20,480
a few years a couple years ago now i'm

1736
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:22,160
not sure exactly when i managed to get a

1737
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,960
question put to sep shostak i think most

1738
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:27,280
people if you're into these topics have

1739
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:28,720
probably heard of steph shostak you know

1740
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:31,520
he's seti um he's josetti foundation's

1741
01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:34,400
most um senior astronomer

1742
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:36,319
and so you know he's often the voice of

1743
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:38,160
seti you know so

1744
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,359
i managed to get a question put to him

1745
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:41,680
by mick west the famous kind of ufo de

1746
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:43,599
bunker on his radio show and i thought

1747
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:45,359
that was kind of amazing

1748
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:48,240
it's been part of my story at all um and

1749
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:50,720
so mick asked him what he thought of

1750
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:53,280
basically um genomic seti which is

1751
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:55,440
investigating genomics to see if there

1752
01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:58,880
is any evidence of genetic manipulation

1753
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,799
you know any organisms on this planet

1754
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,400
and he kind of confirms what i already

1755
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:04,400
knew he says yes you know

1756
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:06,160
professor paul davies

1757
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:08,480
esteemed kind of uh astrophysicist

1758
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:10,640
mathematician has said for years yes we

1759
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:12,319
could do this and maybe there's you know

1760
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:13,440
i'm paraphrasing but you know saying

1761
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:15,119
that yes this is worthwhile doing and

1762
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:17,839
that is it's easy it's cheap it could

1763
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:19,839
probably be done by a graduate student

1764
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:22,079
in a couple of weeks and then the bit

1765
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:23,760
that everyone should be thinking well

1766
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:26,000
why haven't you done it i mean these

1767
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:27,760
people have had millions of dollars

1768
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:29,760
right spent on radio astronomy and

1769
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:32,000
they've got nowhere with it

1770
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:33,920
nothing has come out of that in terms of

1771
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:35,520
finding evidence of aliens and he's

1772
01:04:39,829 --> 01:04:37,839
seeing that and he has the full faith to

1773
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:39,839
say they could have got some grad

1774
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:42,240
student to do this project over a couple

1775
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:44,880
of weeks with almost let's be honest no

1776
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,359
costs because how many people how many

1777
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:49,920
grand salads that if if you think of

1778
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:52,960
esteemed voices like paul davies and the

1779
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:54,799
seth shostak reached out to the

1780
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,960
community of science and said we just

1781
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,799
need a couple of grad students to go

1782
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:00,880
over the literature and see if there's

1783
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:03,280
any anomalies in genetics that might

1784
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:05,680
indicate possible tampering in the past

1785
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:08,240
they would have had thousands of people

1786
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:10,480
offering to do that this relates back to

1787
01:05:13,589 --> 01:05:12,160
the point we were talking about earlier

1788
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:13,599
and it probably seemed incredibly

1789
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:16,319
tangential to people but you've just

1790
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:19,119
made it relevant which is that once you

1791
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:21,440
probe deeper like you have

1792
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:24,240
then everything looks different

1793
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:26,640
and in particular what all that looks

1794
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:29,760
like is as a social engineering mind

1795
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:32,640
control misinformation disinformation

1796
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:35,760
distraction campaign it's not real for

1797
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:37,520
all the reasons that you just said is

1798
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:40,000
because it's very doable science it

1799
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:42,079
could be done so the fact that it isn't

1800
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:45,280
done can only mean one thing that it's

1801
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:48,319
there's a purpose behind it not being

1802
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:49,440
done

1803
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:50,559
right

1804
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:53,280
he makes you look that way at it because

1805
01:05:57,430 --> 01:05:55,280
it's so you know to anyone listening

1806
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:57,440
inside it's so glaring for someone like

1807
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:59,599
that to say that and then it took not

1808
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:01,359
been done saying yeah it's reasonable

1809
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:03,359
yes we've talked about it but nobody's

1810
01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:04,480
done it i mean

1811
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,400
that should make everyone question what

1812
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:07,920
the hell is going on in this search for

1813
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:09,440
extraterrestrial intelligence then you

1814
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:10,880
know if there's simple projects being

1815
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:13,119
ignored let me make sure we frame this

1816
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:14,960
up correctly we're talking about kind of

1817
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:17,359
this third element this third

1818
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:20,000
leg of evidence that could support the

1819
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:22,400
chiringa kind of thing so

1820
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:25,039
one of the things is that there's this

1821
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,880
big bombardment we really didn't talk

1822
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,559
about number two you mentioned it in

1823
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:30,640
passing that you couldn't have known

1824
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:32,960
about the the bombardment of the

1825
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,280
asteroids in the war which we'll talk

1826
01:06:38,789 --> 01:06:37,200
about maybe last because i think that's

1827
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:38,799
super important too

1828
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:40,319
in terms of culture

1829
01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:43,119
in terms of goody tea batty tea save the

1830
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,319
planet

1831
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:46,640
and now what does this story tell us

1832
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,119
no that's that that quickly goes away

1833
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:50,960
when we have

1834
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:53,599
petty differences between fiefdoms which

1835
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:55,920
doesn't that again resonate with talk

1836
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,760
about rhyming with history how many

1837
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:59,359
times have we seen that it's like you

1838
01:07:04,630 --> 01:07:01,440
might destroy the planet i don't give a

1839
01:07:07,910 --> 01:07:04,640
i want him out of there i want my i

1840
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:07,920
want me to dominate right and now that's

1841
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,680
ringing true 780 000 years ago so i'm

1842
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:13,440
gonna put that aside for a minute

1843
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:16,000
because we opened up the genetics thing

1844
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:18,000
what is the information from the

1845
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:21,520
charinga that were the basic story the

1846
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:24,240
narrative that we're going to try and

1847
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:25,200
find

1848
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:27,760
if there's any basis for in this in this

1849
01:07:31,870 --> 01:07:29,200
very narrow time window now because

1850
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:31,880
we're at 788 000 years it has to be in

1851
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:35,520
788 000 years what is the it that has to

1852
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:38,400
be in 788 000 years right so what they

1853
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,599
describe is that there are some crew on

1854
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:43,280
this ai craft

1855
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,640
that's what they're saying now i can't

1856
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:46,319
suspect it because you won't find that i

1857
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:48,079
don't think we're going to find bones or

1858
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:49,599
you know some astronauts out there it's

1859
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:51,760
too long ago but there is the claim that

1860
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:53,599
there are some survivors that they come

1861
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:56,400
down in craft smaller craft and that

1862
01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:58,799
although they cannot live here long term

1863
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:00,559
because they again some of this makes a

1864
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:02,640
lot of sense to me is that they clarify

1865
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:04,480
that they use genetic engineering

1866
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:07,280
technologies on themselves so that they

1867
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:10,720
can inhabit other worlds now again nasa

1868
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,480
is actually exploring this today so talk

1869
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:14,079
about the games looping around decided

1870
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:16,400
that we may need to modify astronauts to

1871
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:18,080
send them to live on mars and stuff

1872
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,159
because we're not suited to other

1873
01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:22,239
planets right for a lot of reasons

1874
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:24,159
so this and they do this they use these

1875
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,679
advanced net engineering technologies on

1876
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:27,839
themselves so that they can live on

1877
01:08:31,430 --> 01:08:29,279
worlds where the atmospheres and the

1878
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:31,440
gravity and stuff are different

1879
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:33,279
now they haven't had time to do this

1880
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:35,040
before their ship is basically destroyed

1881
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:37,600
as we come to so they are partially

1882
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,520
changed but not enough to live here so

1883
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:40,880
they tried they're dying from things

1884
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:43,600
like bacteria in the water the levels of

1885
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:46,000
solar radiation really like conventional

1886
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:47,839
problems that we would have going to an

1887
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,520
alien world so again there's logic to

1888
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:51,199
this not necessarily the aliens land and

1889
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:52,560
they can all breathe and they can eat

1890
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:54,000
the food which again there's you know

1891
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:55,120
people should question those kind of

1892
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:55,839
stories

1893
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,600
why would that be the case but then they

1894
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,440
they have a problem and so they come to

1895
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:01,040
this collusion is that what they can do

1896
01:09:05,990 --> 01:09:03,199
is with the remnants of their technology

1897
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:06,000
is that they can modify an existing

1898
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,480
hominin to make it more like them

1899
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:11,199
upgrade it change it and set it on a

1900
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:14,560
path to become like them and they feel

1901
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:17,679
that that is a you know a worthy plan b

1902
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,000
to their kind of colonizing this planet

1903
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:22,080
if you like so this is the you know it's

1904
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:24,880
not the plan it's the plan b and so they

1905
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:27,199
describe taking some early what we'll

1906
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:29,040
think of now as you know archaic commons

1907
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:31,759
or super arcade hominins and taking them

1908
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:33,199
and in a lab

1909
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,120
taking embryos modifying and putting

1910
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:37,920
these fetuses back in to be born so

1911
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,719
modifying fetuses and implanting and

1912
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:42,400
creating a new kind of human and

1913
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:44,000
describe that some of these pro some of

1914
01:09:46,229 --> 01:09:45,199
these experiments don't go well they

1915
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:46,239
said a lot of their technology's been

1916
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:48,880
lost in this loss of the main ship so

1917
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:51,440
they are working with what they have so

1918
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:52,960
some of these initial experiments go

1919
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,400
wrong again they're not perfect they're

1920
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:56,400
not gods who can just do whatever they

1921
01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:58,000
have the same problems we might have

1922
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:59,840
with technologies you know that doesn't

1923
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:01,199
always work out

1924
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:03,040
so again i found that quite consistent

1925
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,640
and logical a lot of that is quite

1926
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,560
logically consistent with reality

1927
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,640
well i knew that you'd have to look in a

1928
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:10,400
certain area of the genome

1929
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:12,080
in particular and that's in what's

1930
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:13,360
called

1931
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:15,040
highly conserved

1932
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:18,320
non-coding dna regions

1933
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:20,000
and the reason for that is that if

1934
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:21,600
you're looking at genes

1935
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,679
those change due to

1936
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:25,440
normal kind of selective pressures right

1937
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:28,640
so over time genes change anything

1938
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:30,640
obvious from engineering would almost

1939
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:31,760
certainly be

1940
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:33,760
like lost so

1941
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:35,920
you have to look for areas where

1942
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:39,520
the information stays very stable

1943
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:42,800
you're building on existing science and

1944
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:45,520
existing scientific questions and

1945
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,440
challenges that the quote unquote

1946
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,360
mainstream is trying to solve because

1947
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:51,840
you didn't come up with these

1948
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:55,199
human accelerated regions this 121

1949
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:56,719
sequence i mean

1950
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:58,800
scientists have done it for a reason

1951
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:01,600
that for their own reason right

1952
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:03,760
yeah i mean my says they sort of

1953
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:05,280
stumbled on this so i don't think it was

1954
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:06,960
setting out necessarily they stumbled on

1955
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:09,679
these regions where they realized that

1956
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:12,239
you know in a comparative studies that

1957
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:13,920
some of these segments of highly

1958
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:15,120
conserved

1959
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:16,560
code

1960
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:17,600
differ

1961
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:18,800
massively

1962
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:20,480
to expectations you know so when you

1963
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:23,040
contrast and i it's my favorite example

1964
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:24,800
is always this one with the hal1 which

1965
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:26,719
is the first human accelerated region to

1966
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:28,960
be discovered where they had

1967
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:31,679
cross-referenced chickens chimpanzees

1968
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:34,320
and humans and what they found was that

1969
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:36,560
basically that in the chicken and the

1970
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:39,360
chimpanzee this short segment i think so

1971
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,719
it's 118 dna letters long which is very

1972
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:44,400
short especially in terms of glutamate

1973
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:47,360
genes that would be very short so that

1974
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:50,080
in these two species there were two

1975
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:51,760
letters that were different now the

1976
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:53,040
chimp and the

1977
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:54,719
chimpanzee so the chicken and the

1978
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:57,760
chimpanzee have been evolving separately

1979
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:00,400
for at least 300 million years

1980
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,440
right so that's one successful stable

1981
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:05,760
change you know one letter changing for

1982
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:08,719
every 150 million years

1983
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:10,800
so the reason this pops up is they go

1984
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:13,120
whoa this is interesting here's kind of

1985
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:15,920
anomaly this sequence here it doesn't

1986
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:18,320
change at all i mean changes two times

1987
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:21,440
in 300 million years that's curious what

1988
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:23,679
can we do with it absolutely yeah i mean

1989
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:25,920
we've we've now got you know

1990
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:27,520
well the whole genome has been mapped

1991
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:28,880
for example in humans so i mean we're at

1992
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:31,520
a point where the knowledge now is you

1993
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:34,239
know really vast and really intricate so

1994
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,400
they're able to do these kinds of you

1995
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:38,960
know uh detailed contrast between

1996
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:41,440
species and so we understand you know

1997
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,960
the differences between us and a chimp

1998
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,400
and the difference between us and uh you

1999
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,560
know we've got this point where they can

2000
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:47,760
you know you can look for segments of

2001
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:49,840
code and contrast them going back

2002
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:52,400
to when when were we

2003
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:54,880
last very alike to that creature so you

2004
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:56,159
know we're able to trace it back and say

2005
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:57,360
that you know see

2006
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,199
this is the only difference is this

2007
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:01,360
isn't this between us and you know uh

2008
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:03,040
then an aardvark or whatever so we can

2009
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:04,320
do that so they're doing this they use

2010
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:06,080
this segment to then contrast and they

2011
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:08,320
can find that okay yes you know you know

2012
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:10,000
chicken and chimpanzee

2013
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:12,480
super stable two changes that's amazing

2014
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,320
must do something very important

2015
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:16,320
otherwise you'll be lost you'll change

2016
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:19,679
more so clearly small changes in it

2017
01:13:24,310 --> 01:13:23,040
must have quite drastic outcomes like it

2018
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:24,320
dies

2019
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:25,920
you know because why wouldn't these

2020
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,440
changes keep happening and persist why

2021
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:29,360
is there only two successful ones in 300

2022
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:31,520
million years that code must be doing

2023
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:33,280
something quite important

2024
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:34,560
so

2025
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,120
then if you look at chimps and humans

2026
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:39,120
you expect it to be identical that's

2027
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:41,760
because you know 300 million years for

2028
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,560
chicken and chimp but only about seven

2029
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:46,080
or eight million years difference

2030
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:48,000
between us and chimps that's

2031
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:49,920
conventional understanding is it as it

2032
01:13:52,229 --> 01:13:50,640
is

2033
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:52,239
so you would expect there to be none

2034
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:53,840
because it's not the 150 million years

2035
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,159
required for one letter to change so

2036
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,400
what they found instead though was that

2037
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,199
18 letters had changed

2038
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:03,440
so that was just wildly outside the

2039
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:06,080
ballpark of what should have been

2040
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:07,360
observed

2041
01:14:11,669 --> 01:14:09,600
you're talking about statistics and you

2042
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:11,679
can put that in the hand of some static

2043
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:13,760
statistician and they can say boom and

2044
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,080
then they can compare that with 7 8

2045
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:18,880
million years 18 changes they can crank

2046
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:21,120
that out in their excel spreadsheet not

2047
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:22,560
an excel spreadsheet but you get the

2048
01:14:27,910 --> 01:14:25,840
point and it comes out with a statistic

2049
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:27,920
that everyone would point to and say

2050
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:30,000
yeah that's that's the math that's what

2051
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:33,360
it is and the number is astronomically

2052
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:35,920
high that that would be by chance right

2053
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:38,320
is that oversimplifying it no absolutely

2054
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:41,280
and in fact the the discoverer of human

2055
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:43,040
accelerated region one

2056
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:45,199
um name's one of my life mode but she is

2057
01:14:48,669 --> 01:14:46,719
herself i think it's professor pollard

2058
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:48,679
i'm not that wrong but she is herself a

2059
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:51,440
biostatistician who helps design the

2060
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:53,199
programs that work out these kind of

2061
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:54,960
chances right so she does not you know

2062
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:57,520
she worked on to help

2063
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:59,040
understand the likelihood of that

2064
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,280
happening and so and that came out as

2065
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:03,120
essentially zero that's what you know

2066
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:04,320
she wrote it's you know i think you see

2067
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:06,080
an american scientist or new science 20s

2068
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:07,679
magazines but she's saying basically it

2069
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:09,760
comes out as essentially zero

2070
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:12,560
so by any understood

2071
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,960
means of evolution that should not be

2072
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:16,400
the case so they're saying something we

2073
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,080
don't understand

2074
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:20,320
is acting upon these segments

2075
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:22,000
right so that's where they were at when

2076
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:23,440
they discovered it and obviously there's

2077
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:25,840
been a series of papers now on h on

2078
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:27,280
human accelerated regions they found

2079
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,440
many more of them there are at least

2080
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,040
several hundred

2081
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:33,360
now some of them are understood a bit

2082
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:34,640
some of them have no understanding just

2083
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:36,080
know that they're there so in other

2084
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,560
words what they have found is that

2085
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:40,800
most of the ones where they have some

2086
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,560
understanding what we do

2087
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:44,880
are tied up with

2088
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:47,520
uh brain changes during fetal

2089
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:48,960
development

2090
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:52,400
and i and i think that's massive

2091
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:55,040
okay is there any way to tie any of this

2092
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:56,800
and i know there is because i've

2093
01:16:02,550 --> 01:15:58,960
read and listened your stuff

2094
01:16:04,709 --> 01:16:02,560
to some of the dates we're talking about

2095
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:04,719
yeah because we've got

2096
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,320
none of these changes there's some other

2097
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:09,199
uh interesting genes that occur you know

2098
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:10,239
that appear well there's one that's

2099
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:11,360
actually described brain gene that's

2100
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:13,360
occurred as appearing fully formed from

2101
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:15,120
non-coding dna

2102
01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:17,600
uh which i think gives it the neocortex

2103
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,800
and then there's another one there's a

2104
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,400
segment of a gene so there's also these

2105
01:16:24,709 --> 01:16:22,560
as well as hr's there are genes and

2106
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:24,719
segments of genes and also the fusion of

2107
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:26,239
chromosome two all of these things are

2108
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:28,000
really important to what if you look

2109
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:29,120
into it these are the things that

2110
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:31,920
consider to make humans what they are

2111
01:16:35,669 --> 01:16:34,480
big brains a opposite firms you know all

2112
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,679
this stuff that makes us different to

2113
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:37,199
all the other primates

2114
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:39,280
but so what we understand because dating

2115
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:40,640
some of these changes difficult at the

2116
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:42,800
genetic level to be precise but what we

2117
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,000
do know is that from the fossil record

2118
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:48,719
it was already understood that around

2119
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:51,920
about 800 000 years ago there is an

2120
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:54,800
inexplicable sudden change in the

2121
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:57,520
cranial capacity of humans

2122
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:58,480
and so

2123
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:00,239
for many years before the field of

2124
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:02,560
genetics there was big questions over

2125
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:04,480
what was happening then so in other

2126
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:06,800
words we now know of course that those

2127
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:09,120
changes are expressions of genetic

2128
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:12,000
change so we can see the physical shift

2129
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:15,040
underway that has to be tied to these

2130
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:17,280
genetic changes so though you can't

2131
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:18,880
pinpoint daytona we know again some of

2132
01:17:21,990 --> 01:17:19,920
them are dated

2133
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:22,000
somewhere towards a million years or

2134
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:23,760
somewhere in the age of you know it's

2135
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:24,960
difficult to be that precise but when

2136
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:27,199
you can see the physical changes we can

2137
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:29,679
date those in the fossil record so we

2138
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:31,600
know that this radical change in the

2139
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:34,719
human brain goes underway around about

2140
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:37,600
800 000 years ago now whilst we know is

2141
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:40,080
of course is that now we understand that

2142
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:43,280
neanderthals denisovans and the direct

2143
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:46,640
answers to modern humans right the the

2144
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:49,760
the divergence it's like the formation

2145
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:51,760
of these different groups the divergence

2146
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:54,239
from the archaic ancestors that is

2147
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:55,360
happening

2148
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:58,000
roughly 700 to 800 000 years ago

2149
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:00,800
depending on who you look at paper and

2150
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:03,760
what did we think that date was

2151
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:05,760
20 years ago or when you started this

2152
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:07,920
research because the dates shifted right

2153
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:08,800
yeah

2154
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:11,360
about 400 000 or so years ago so this is

2155
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:12,800
totally different so if you would say

2156
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:14,800
ten years ago you know oh you know i

2157
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:16,560
know someone modified us and they

2158
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:18,239
created us in trousers

2159
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:19,920
i know because you know neanderthals on

2160
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:22,000
us we don't really separate until 400

2161
01:18:26,709 --> 01:18:24,400
000 years ago uh the beginnings of our

2162
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:26,719
species are probably 500 000 years ago

2163
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:28,239
so this has shifted back just in the

2164
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:30,400
last few years so we now understand

2165
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:32,080
actually no there's evidence from

2166
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:34,159
proteins from genes from you know and

2167
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:35,920
from the fossil record from teeth as

2168
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:37,199
well they're looking at where they've

2169
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:39,120
they've now got enough evidence to say

2170
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:41,040
well based on everything that we now

2171
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:44,239
have we can see that this this split

2172
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:47,040
from these archaics towards these large

2173
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:48,880
brained humans so includes obviously

2174
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:51,040
neanderthals denisovans and us that that

2175
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:53,360
is occurring roughly seven to eight

2176
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:55,360
hundred thousand years ago and the

2177
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:57,280
dating on the chromosome two fusion

2178
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:59,440
which had another key change

2179
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:00,960
that has been dated by at least one

2180
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:02,960
british biologist as being around about

2181
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:05,360
750 or so thousand years ago because you

2182
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:06,960
can see it happens at the beginning of

2183
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,400
this split between neanderthals and

2184
01:19:11,189 --> 01:19:10,239
dinosaurs they all have it as well but

2185
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:11,199
that is happening at the beginning of

2186
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:12,960
that split so we know that there's these

2187
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:15,520
things are occurring and we can see the

2188
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:18,640
changes happening physically here so

2189
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:20,560
that's the interesting addition that you

2190
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:21,679
know rather than saying something like a

2191
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:23,199
million years according to genetics we

2192
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:24,800
can say well let's look at the skulls

2193
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,400
let's see what's going on we can see

2194
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:28,880
this radical shift um the cranial

2195
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:30,560
capacity just accelerates massively

2196
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:33,600
beyond body size changes where in the

2197
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:36,159
past you could sort of track body size

2198
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:38,719
increase which skull capacity increase

2199
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:40,480
so if you look around 8500 on the chart

2200
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,000
and there are charts people look at this

2201
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:43,920
there's a sudden acceleration in this

2202
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:46,400
screen of capacity so again you can mesh

2203
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:47,600
physical

2204
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:49,760
with genetics which is really i think

2205
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:51,360
crucial

2206
01:19:55,510 --> 01:19:54,560
okay so i i hope we've kind of made the

2207
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:55,520
case

2208
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:56,400
that

2209
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:58,800
you've approached this from a scientific

2210
01:20:02,470 --> 01:20:00,000
perspective

2211
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:02,480
and while as you said at the beginning

2212
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:04,880
you know you can't go to toe to toe with

2213
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:06,639
someone who has

2214
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:09,120
multiple phds and fellowships on each

2215
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:11,840
one of these topics but as anyone who's

2216
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:13,120
listening this

2217
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:14,239
can tell

2218
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:17,280
you can go toe-to-toe with them up to a

2219
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:18,880
point and

2220
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:21,520
if you were totally full of crap

2221
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:24,080
you would be shot down and you're not

2222
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:26,480
being shot down and as a matter of fact

2223
01:20:32,629 --> 01:20:29,440
your ideas are building upon the very

2224
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:32,639
best science we have of the time

2225
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:35,520
so if we accept that as kind of the

2226
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:37,520
theory that we have to go to what are

2227
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,560
some of the most striking implications

2228
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,199
for you big picture-wise who are we why

2229
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:45,600
are we here what are ufos

2230
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:47,120
what do they want

2231
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:49,360
how long have they been here what are

2232
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:52,400
they doing and what's good et versus bad

2233
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,120
et now we can ask those questions at a

2234
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:57,280
different level what do you think

2235
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:59,199
yeah absolutely because i mean

2236
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,719
there's some things you can't like if we

2237
01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:02,400
can establish say that you know

2238
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:04,960
some intelligence was here with a

2239
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:08,639
technology 788 000 years ago and that

2240
01:21:12,629 --> 01:21:10,800
may well be you know intertwined with

2241
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:12,639
our evolution either directly or just by

2242
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:14,960
the fact it's there it's gonna have some

2243
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:16,719
relevance to our evolution

2244
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:19,120
right that i don't i can't say whether

2245
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:20,880
it came i can't be certain whether it

2246
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:23,440
came from outer space uh you know

2247
01:21:28,149 --> 01:21:25,120
from alpha centauri or the pleiades

2248
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:28,159
which i suggest but you know i can't

2249
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:29,520
confirm that i can't confirm whether it

2250
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:31,520
wasn't some ancient martian civilization

2251
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,080
or you know was dinosaurs but what we

2252
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:36,400
can say is that some other intelligence

2253
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:38,159
alien to us

2254
01:21:42,149 --> 01:21:40,480
was present so then where are they now

2255
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:42,159
so it was that big question are they

2256
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:44,239
still lurking and if so what are they

2257
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:46,159
doing why aren't they making contact

2258
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:48,719
what's their agenda or have they gone in

2259
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:49,679
which case

2260
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:51,280
will they come back what would they do

2261
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:53,520
if they did come back or have they gone

2262
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:55,920
extinct if so why is that our destiny i

2263
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:57,199
think it opens those questions and

2264
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:58,239
people have to start thinking well if

2265
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:00,320
they were there then where are they now

2266
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:03,040
what are they doing what's coming for us

2267
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:04,400
and those are definitely massive

2268
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,880
questions that instantly happen and then

2269
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:08,880
of course if we've been modified you

2270
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:10,400
have to stop saying well

2271
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:13,120
why what is this longer term agenda have

2272
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:15,760
we been further modified will we be

2273
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:18,639
again modified right so these are

2274
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:21,520
massive massive burning questions around

2275
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:23,600
us once you establish this some reality

2276
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:24,800
to this

2277
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:27,120
see and i i i'm with you on all that i

2278
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:29,120
take somewhat of a different take in

2279
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:31,440
terms of the burden of proof thing

2280
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:34,480
because i think you've established ufo

2281
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:35,679
reality

2282
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:36,880
spaceship

2283
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:39,040
you know so again burden of perform

2284
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:41,120
somebody to say that silica object

2285
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:44,560
that's orbiting is not a spaceship

2286
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:48,400
to me again it's it's a spaceship and by

2287
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:52,560
extension if there's spaceships 780 000

2288
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:56,560
years ago with advanced technology then

2289
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:58,560
all bets are off and when people want to

2290
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:00,800
start telling me about

2291
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:03,040
you know roswell and all the rest i'm

2292
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:06,080
like great but we have to fit it now

2293
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:08,560
into this larger time frame

2294
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:10,000
and we can talk about all the other

2295
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:12,159
stuff but we can't talk about

2296
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:15,920
it's just advanced technology it's like

2297
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:17,520
really it's just earth-based advanced

2298
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:19,520
technology again the burden proof would

2299
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:22,000
be on you but in doing that you would

2300
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:24,480
have to incorporate in bruce's object

2301
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:29,280
from 780 000 years ago uh the aliens are

2302
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:30,800
good

2303
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:32,480
and they're environmentalists and

2304
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,719
they're trying to protect the planet

2305
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:36,880
well again now you're gonna have to fit

2306
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:39,840
that in with a bombardment five years

2307
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:41,920
after this occurs where they risk

2308
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:44,159
blowing up the planet in order to get

2309
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:46,560
the guys they don't like out of their

2310
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:48,639
underground villages you know

2311
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:51,199
that doesn't sound like

2312
01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:54,080
everyone in the galactic federation is

2313
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:56,800
on the same page in terms of how we deal

2314
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:58,639
with conflict so

2315
01:24:01,510 --> 01:24:00,000
do you get what i'm saying what do you

2316
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:01,520
think about that

2317
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:03,280
yeah absolutely this you know

2318
01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:05,120
he should make us rethink the whole you

2319
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:08,239
know ufo alien contact topic entirely i

2320
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:09,360
mean i i

2321
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:11,040
instantly makes me think of for example

2322
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:12,480
you know jack ballet you know basically

2323
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:13,520
pretty familiar

2324
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:15,520
but his idea that what we're seeing in

2325
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:18,320
the ufo phenomena and the interrelated

2326
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:20,000
aspects that connect to it so everything

2327
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:22,080
from alien abductions to strange

2328
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:24,080
encounters and you know seemingly

2329
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:25,920
mystical experiences uh what he has

2330
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:27,440
referred to is kind of an evolutionary

2331
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:29,199
control grid now if there is an

2332
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:32,239
intelligence interested in our evolution

2333
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:34,320
and then you take their the famous

2334
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:36,560
obviously clock quote of you know abuse

2335
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,679
officer club

2336
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:39,760
any uh sufficiently advanced technology

2337
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:41,679
is indistinguishable from magic a lot of

2338
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:43,040
these things happening to people are

2339
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:44,960
magical seeming right like say the

2340
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,520
abduction phenomena it's magical seeming

2341
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:49,280
because there's a lot of cases where you

2342
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:51,360
can say they definitely were not taken

2343
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:53,040
anywhere physically because people were

2344
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:54,719
there and stuff right but they've had

2345
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:56,239
experiences as though they want alien

2346
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:59,120
ships having you know eggs taken and

2347
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:00,800
things that don't seem to be happening

2348
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:03,360
in consensus reality in physical terms

2349
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,719
but are happening for them and they've

2350
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:06,480
got ptsd and everything these things are

2351
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:08,800
happening to them in some way magical

2352
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:11,120
things now if we think of a technology

2353
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:13,840
or a race that is so incomprehensible to

2354
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:16,719
us that what it does is magical then you

2355
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:19,040
you have to reevaluate the whole thing

2356
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,719
and say yeah is this an evolutionary

2357
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:22,560
control grid which involves not only

2358
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:24,719
physical technologies maybe probes that

2359
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:27,760
watch and interact but magical stuff

2360
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:28,960
where you know things we can't

2361
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:30,560
comprehend that deal with

2362
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:32,719
interdimensional knowledge you know

2363
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:34,080
maybe somebody's technological maybe

2364
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:35,840
some of it's their consciousness is able

2365
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:38,960
to hack into us in telepathic ways and

2366
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:41,280
project experiences into our brains i

2367
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:42,719
mean you have to start opening your door

2368
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:45,120
into what sounds like crazy sci-fi but

2369
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:47,360
any species that nearly a million years

2370
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:49,199
ago could fly around in giant silica

2371
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:51,600
craft what is it doing now

2372
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:54,080
exactly and there's a completely

2373
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:56,000
different way to take that as well and

2374
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,880
that's

2375
01:26:01,669 --> 01:25:58,639
the importance of like we said with the

2376
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:01,679
charinga technology associated with it

2377
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:03,280
and you always come back to that i think

2378
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:05,360
the technology angle on this is super

2379
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:08,480
interesting i think the silica ship ai

2380
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:10,960
intelligence ship is interesting i think

2381
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:13,040
the genetic engineering and the failed

2382
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:15,360
genetic engineering is interesting

2383
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:18,400
because it suggests as does the silica

2384
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:19,920
chip that

2385
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:22,400
maybe the technology gap

2386
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:25,280
isn't what we might imagine maybe it

2387
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:28,639
starts sounding a lot closer to the kind

2388
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:31,040
of stuff we're familiar with oh yeah we

2389
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:33,120
made the program but the ai screwed up

2390
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:35,040
because it is just a program and we

2391
01:26:37,990 --> 01:26:36,480
unplugged it and it

2392
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:38,000
didn't do what it's supposed to do

2393
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:39,920
genetically

2394
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:41,199
exactly

2395
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:43,600
you know oh we genetically modified

2396
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:44,560
these

2397
01:26:47,910 --> 01:26:46,320
fetuses but we didn't really know how to

2398
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:47,920
do it because we didn't have the you

2399
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:50,239
know the right equipment that's again

2400
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:52,639
sounding very human and this is now on

2401
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:53,920
the table because the other thing you

2402
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:56,560
said was jacques play love jacqueline

2403
01:27:01,669 --> 01:26:59,280
awesome huge contributor to this

2404
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:01,679
understanding of the phenomenon in

2405
01:27:06,310 --> 01:27:04,400
general but a lot of people take that

2406
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:06,320
and go the uber consciousness thing

2407
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:08,560
right so there's there's it's all

2408
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:10,560
consciousness you know there's none of

2409
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:13,360
this well this flies in the face of that

2410
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:15,600
right the tectite that you hold in your

2411
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:18,719
hand is in this here now consensus

2412
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:22,000
reality it is materialistic science that

2413
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,199
we've used to analyze that to date that

2414
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:27,840
to tell us what the elements are and how

2415
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:30,080
they're formed that's very

2416
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:32,320
third dimension materialistic science

2417
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:33,920
too so

2418
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:35,840
again that's why i think this work is so

2419
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:37,760
important because it kind of drives a

2420
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:39,199
stake in the ground and says hey don't

2421
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:40,880
go too far with that you want to go

2422
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:44,400
fairies and bigfoot right but it does

2423
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:47,600
kind of come back to spaceships and

2424
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:50,239
lasers from space too you know what do

2425
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:51,760
you think about that yeah absolutely i

2426
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,239
mean i i tend to think of

2427
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:56,800
to my knowledge you know and having

2428
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:58,480
looked at a lot of strange stuff for a

2429
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:00,560
very long time that this is the only

2430
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:03,840
line of research where we can really

2431
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:05,120
do say stick that sticking around and

2432
01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:07,600
say well this is a physical event

2433
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:09,440
involving an alien intelligence it's

2434
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:11,760
very alien to us no matter where we came

2435
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:13,760
from alien to humans that could do

2436
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:16,480
amazing technological things now with

2437
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:18,560
the modern phenomena the contact to easy

2438
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:21,280
episode it's really fuzzy

2439
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:23,280
like which parts of that are

2440
01:28:28,950 --> 01:28:26,480
psychical consciousness visionary or or

2441
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:28,960
are physical it's really hazy really

2442
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:31,040
hard to see that and i tend to step back

2443
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:33,440
and say i really don't know which parts

2444
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:35,920
of that are definitely physical so where

2445
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:37,280
we've had an argument about nuts and

2446
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:39,120
bolts versus woo-woo consciousness

2447
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:41,120
nobody really knows where that line is

2448
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:43,360
in that modern phenomena but i can say

2449
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:45,920
well okay put that to one side let's at

2450
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:47,840
least establish that some of this is

2451
01:28:51,510 --> 01:28:49,840
physical and that that's what this does

2452
01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:51,520
especially as you say there is some

2453
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:54,639
physicality definitely to this and that

2454
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:57,600
would infer probably some physicality

2455
01:29:02,070 --> 01:29:00,239
that continues to present somewhere

2456
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:02,080
amongst that strangeness that we can't

2457
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:04,719
tie down the jobs john keel kind of you

2458
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:06,880
know conclusions that it's all you know

2459
01:29:10,149 --> 01:29:08,159
just

2460
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:10,159
is it paraphysical the stuff that comes

2461
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:12,080
into reality seems physical can meld

2462
01:29:17,189 --> 01:29:14,639
away that that seems to be going on too

2463
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:17,199
but we can infer that if they are

2464
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:18,800
physical enough to leave real debris

2465
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:20,320
that you can pick up that there is a

2466
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:22,400
physical element to at least some of

2467
01:29:26,229 --> 01:29:24,560
these non-human intelligences that seem

2468
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:26,239
to be interacting with us maybe there's

2469
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:28,480
others that are just pure energy and you

2470
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:29,920
know you go into all that but we can't

2471
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:31,360
establish that yet so let's start with

2472
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:33,440
what we can establish

2473
01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:35,679
yeah and that of course that brings up

2474
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,120
the really

2475
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:39,360
level three kind of discussion about

2476
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:42,320
consciousness extended consciousness uh

2477
01:29:46,550 --> 01:29:44,320
good and evil in the extended

2478
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:46,560
consciousness whether there is a moral

2479
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:48,239
imperative and we could even talk about

2480
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:50,800
good and evil the the question i always

2481
01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:52,880
boil it down to is

2482
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:56,320
what does et's nde look like

2483
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:57,600
right

2484
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:59,199
there's a near-death experience there's

2485
01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:01,920
a reality to that consciousness

2486
01:30:06,070 --> 01:30:04,000
from a physical standpoint should have

2487
01:30:07,830 --> 01:30:06,080
stopped your brain has stopped your

2488
01:30:09,990 --> 01:30:07,840
heart has stopped and yet we know that

2489
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:10,000
consciousness is continuing where is

2490
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:12,320
that consciousness going and then there

2491
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:13,920
seems to be this other dimension that

2492
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:15,440
it's going into

2493
01:30:20,709 --> 01:30:18,239
what's happening for e.t and

2494
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:20,719
you know this is a a further inference

2495
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:21,520
than

2496
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:24,000
i think you would probably go or that a

2497
01:30:27,189 --> 01:30:25,199
lot of people would go with your

2498
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:27,199
research but

2499
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:29,760
what i would think would be one of the

2500
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:32,960
the ways i would read it is that

2501
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:35,440
et's nde isn't maybe that much different

2502
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:36,960
from our nde

2503
01:30:39,910 --> 01:30:38,800
because it starts looking like a lot of

2504
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:39,920
the same

2505
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:41,920
stuff and particularly the you know we

2506
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:43,440
didn't even talk about the bombardment

2507
01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:45,760
thing but particularly that damn it i

2508
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:48,239
don't care blast them out of the sky hey

2509
01:30:52,229 --> 01:30:50,159
they blasted us out of the sky let's

2510
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:52,239
come back and attack them i don't care

2511
01:30:56,990 --> 01:30:54,639
if we blow up that blow up the planet

2512
01:31:00,149 --> 01:30:57,000
that doesn't sound like

2513
01:31:02,390 --> 01:31:00,159
transcendent consciousness to me that

2514
01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:02,400
doesn't sound like god to me that sounds

2515
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:04,560
like you know it god i'm putting just in

2516
01:31:08,550 --> 01:31:06,480
terms of how we would understand that

2517
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:08,560
unity consciousness that we're all

2518
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:11,520
somehow connected kind of thing

2519
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:13,440
yeah i think he's saying if he said

2520
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:15,280
no matter whether there may be

2521
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:17,679
intelligences that are pure you know

2522
01:31:21,669 --> 01:31:19,760
love and light that there are also

2523
01:31:24,070 --> 01:31:21,679
others out there that are yeah more akin

2524
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:24,080
to us than we might expect you know so

2525
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:25,520
it doesn't preclude there aren't like

2526
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:28,320
angelic perfect beings and you know

2527
01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:30,159
living life forms you know all of that

2528
01:31:33,910 --> 01:31:31,920
can also be true but that they are you

2529
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:33,920
know maybe surprisingly to us but there

2530
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:37,440
are other beings that are recognizable

2531
01:31:40,310 --> 01:31:39,040
to us in terms of we can imagine they

2532
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:40,320
probably went through a similar

2533
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:43,199
evolutionary path to us because some of

2534
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:45,440
their behaviors and their choices are

2535
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:48,000
recognizable to us and i think that

2536
01:31:51,990 --> 01:31:50,080
again gives us a sense of

2537
01:31:53,590 --> 01:31:52,000
perhaps a better sense of not being

2538
01:31:55,590 --> 01:31:53,600
alone than if we did find beings that

2539
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:55,600
were so radically different like well

2540
01:31:58,470 --> 01:31:57,120
what do we even make of them you know

2541
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:58,480
whereas we can say well at least some of

2542
01:32:01,910 --> 01:31:59,920
them there's some hope we might have a

2543
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:01,920
connection where we could understand

2544
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:04,320
each other because they seem to do

2545
01:32:07,990 --> 01:32:05,920
things a bit like us and they're not

2546
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:08,000
perfect they're not you know infallible

2547
01:32:12,790 --> 01:32:10,800
gods who you know never make a mistake

2548
01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:12,800
or you know can never you know have a

2549
01:32:16,550 --> 01:32:14,400
technology or wrong that they they

2550
01:32:17,830 --> 01:32:16,560
actually are recognized in that way too

2551
01:32:18,870 --> 01:32:17,840
and i think yeah that's really important

2552
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:18,880
because there probably are beings that

2553
01:32:21,669 --> 01:32:20,480
we just we wouldn't know where to start

2554
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:21,679
with their consciousness you know in

2555
01:32:25,750 --> 01:32:23,600
their thinking and

2556
01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:25,760
would be like talking to a brick you

2557
01:32:28,709 --> 01:32:27,280
know in terms of our chances of ever

2558
01:32:30,709 --> 01:32:28,719
connecting with them right because it's

2559
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:30,719
so different the consciousness types are

2560
01:32:33,830 --> 01:32:32,480
so different that we would have no real

2561
01:32:35,590 --> 01:32:33,840
hope we could only recognize maybe that

2562
01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:35,600
there's other life but other life is

2563
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:38,080
shut off from us because it's so strange

2564
01:32:41,189 --> 01:32:39,520
so i think this gives us a hopeful

2565
01:32:42,870 --> 01:32:41,199
feeling as well that maybe we can really

2566
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:42,880
connect with other charities and out

2567
01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:43,679
there

2568
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:49,040
of them in us with the genetics

2569
01:32:53,910 --> 01:32:51,280
bruce finally what do you think about

2570
01:32:56,310 --> 01:32:53,920
the current state of this uh

2571
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:56,320
conversation it's at a totally different

2572
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:58,320
point than we've ever seen in our

2573
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:59,520
lifetime

2574
01:33:02,629 --> 01:33:00,719
it's

2575
01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:02,639
you know what do you think about lou

2576
01:33:06,550 --> 01:33:05,280
elizondo you know disclosure comes

2577
01:33:09,030 --> 01:33:06,560
through

2578
01:33:12,149 --> 01:33:09,040
an intelligence officer oh from the

2579
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:12,159
pentagon oh what a surprise

2580
01:33:15,510 --> 01:33:14,320
how do you advise that story what do you

2581
01:33:17,110 --> 01:33:15,520
think about

2582
01:33:18,229 --> 01:33:17,120
disclosure we do seem to be going

2583
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:18,239
through it no matter what you think

2584
01:33:20,870 --> 01:33:19,360
about it

2585
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:20,880
we're certainly going through yes some

2586
01:33:26,229 --> 01:33:24,480
kind of narrative shift now

2587
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:26,239
is it something disclosed or is it a

2588
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:28,560
story being woven for us

2589
01:33:32,550 --> 01:33:30,560
in which case it wouldn't really be a

2590
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:32,560
disclosure because again disclosure

2591
01:33:37,189 --> 01:33:34,000
infers that this is that we're being

2592
01:33:39,110 --> 01:33:37,199
shown factual hidden things right now i

2593
01:33:41,590 --> 01:33:39,120
think it's gonna be very difficult for

2594
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:41,600
us to ever confirm that we are being

2595
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:45,280
shown factual hidden things versus being

2596
01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:47,679
given a story that is preferred by

2597
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:49,199
certain people now whether that's

2598
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:50,800
individuals or the intelligence

2599
01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:53,040
community or the government you know

2600
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:54,960
how do we really know now the only thing

2601
01:33:58,310 --> 01:33:56,400
you can really establish that is if

2602
01:33:59,189 --> 01:33:58,320
someone was to really say i don't wheel

2603
01:34:01,270 --> 01:33:59,199
out

2604
01:34:03,110 --> 01:34:01,280
a craft and aliens we could at least get

2605
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:03,120
to probably say well there's definitely

2606
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:05,520
a hidden you know there's an alien craft

2607
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:08,000
they had one that's a disclosure but if

2608
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:10,320
what we get is just information

2609
01:34:14,229 --> 01:34:12,080
i think that's really problematic

2610
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:14,239
because we have no way to independently

2611
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:16,000
validate this isn't just a story being

2612
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:18,000
moving for us and there's a really

2613
01:34:20,950 --> 01:34:19,440
interesting article by a guy called

2614
01:34:21,669 --> 01:34:20,960
alexander wendt i don't know if you know

2615
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:21,679
but

2616
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:23,360
he writes about how

2617
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:25,280
really the control system can never

2618
01:34:29,669 --> 01:34:27,280
reveal aliens to us because it's a

2619
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:29,679
direct threat to them because you're now

2620
01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:33,199
putting a higher order above the top of

2621
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:35,120
the pyramid you know because instead of

2622
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:36,960
people looking to the apex as the

2623
01:34:41,350 --> 01:34:38,880
political elite everyone's going to ask

2624
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:41,360
but what do their levels you know these

2625
01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:43,760
civilizational type free type beings

2626
01:34:47,830 --> 01:34:45,600
think who really are in control of our

2627
01:34:49,510 --> 01:34:47,840
solar system who cares what the

2628
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:49,520
president of america says he's

2629
01:34:54,149 --> 01:34:52,320
irrelevant now right well that's gonna

2630
01:34:57,510 --> 01:34:54,159
be a big problem for a system that is

2631
01:35:00,310 --> 01:34:57,520
built on that control system you know

2632
01:35:03,350 --> 01:35:00,320
yeah i i dr alexander wendt has been on

2633
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:03,360
the show at least once but the counter

2634
01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:04,400
to that

2635
01:35:10,149 --> 01:35:07,679
is what we've lived through with the

2636
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:10,159
recent elections and with the great

2637
01:35:14,310 --> 01:35:12,320
reset is that

2638
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:14,320
i think all that stuff is kind of

2639
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:16,719
irrelevant or being managed on a whole

2640
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:18,880
different level that we don't totally

2641
01:35:24,629 --> 01:35:21,840
appreciate and i also think

2642
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:24,639
the disclosure and particularly the new

2643
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:26,560
york times disclosure and again i

2644
01:35:30,470 --> 01:35:28,639
interviewed both leslie kane and ralph

2645
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:30,480
blumenthal from the new york times who

2646
01:35:35,109 --> 01:35:32,960
have the byline on that story number one

2647
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:35,119
it seemed like to anyone is paying

2648
01:35:39,189 --> 01:35:36,960
attention a political psyop from the

2649
01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:39,199
beginning again this lu elizondo

2650
01:35:43,109 --> 01:35:40,960
character you know why is an

2651
01:35:45,109 --> 01:35:43,119
intelligence officer the one

2652
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:45,119
leaking that would be the first question

2653
01:35:49,510 --> 01:35:48,080
but number two it didn't do

2654
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:49,520
what it was

2655
01:35:56,149 --> 01:35:52,800
supposed to do so they're constantly

2656
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:56,159
shaping the the social narrative and the

2657
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:58,400
mind control experiment but that doesn't

2658
01:36:02,629 --> 01:36:00,800
mean that they're in control of it

2659
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:02,639
my best read of it is

2660
01:36:07,189 --> 01:36:05,280
they didn't know that it would go the

2661
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:07,199
way that it has in their attempt to

2662
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:09,600
disclose so they're constantly tweaking

2663
01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:11,360
it and isn't that our history of what

2664
01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:13,360
we've seen in terms of propaganda and

2665
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:15,760
misinformation i mean it's always a

2666
01:36:19,350 --> 01:36:17,840
moving target it's an evolving well

2667
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:19,360
let's see what that does and then it's a

2668
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:21,440
chess game it's like okay well from that

2669
01:36:26,149 --> 01:36:24,159
position they did this so now i'll do

2670
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:26,159
that

2671
01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:27,280
yeah i mean i think particularly you

2672
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:28,880
know say stephen greenstreet and the new

2673
01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:30,639
york post who's done some really good

2674
01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:32,560
investigative research into this showing

2675
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:34,080
that yeah a lot of the stuff to be said

2676
01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:36,400
has changed it's an evolving narrative

2677
01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:38,320
when you're being told an absolute

2678
01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:40,159
revelation of truth

2679
01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:42,880
expands it doesn't change right and what

2680
01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:45,040
we're seeing is changing shifting sounds

2681
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:46,719
in the narrative so that is should be a

2682
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:49,119
red flag to people and of course i'd say

2683
01:36:54,790 --> 01:36:52,960
the majority of old hands in ufology

2684
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:54,800
have tended towards skepticism of this

2685
01:36:57,990 --> 01:36:56,000
that they see a problem because they

2686
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:58,000
still remember the days where this is a

2687
01:37:02,149 --> 01:36:59,679
lot of disinfo and a lot of military

2688
01:37:03,430 --> 01:37:02,159
control going into the ufo world whereas

2689
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:03,440
many of the people who've come in in

2690
01:37:09,030 --> 01:37:06,560
2017 onwards who've become die hard

2691
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:09,040
ufo activists

2692
01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:10,960
who are activists for disclosure and

2693
01:37:13,510 --> 01:37:12,000
it's all about the government and the

2694
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:13,520
military and we need to let these people

2695
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:14,880
who know all the stuff and what they're

2696
01:37:19,750 --> 01:37:17,199
doing take over the narrative

2697
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:19,760
you know really are just so green

2698
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:21,520
so green

2699
01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:24,239
it's it's unfortunate they seem to have

2700
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:26,080
got the big traction on this and the

2701
01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:28,480
other people who do know better who

2702
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:30,560
spent decades in this are being

2703
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:33,119
sidelined because of course the media

2704
01:37:37,510 --> 01:37:35,440
and the intelligent community are loving

2705
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:37,520
these people loving them because they're

2706
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:39,199
also enabling this idea that the

2707
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:40,560
government is giving the people what

2708
01:37:44,470 --> 01:37:42,320
they want so first you need some people

2709
01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:44,480
to say we want this so you engineer a

2710
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:46,000
group of people who then call on the

2711
01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:47,520
government to do it and it looks like

2712
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:49,199
you're responding to the people instead

2713
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:50,560
of just bringing out the story you're

2714
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:51,760
going to bring out in the first place

2715
01:37:57,669 --> 01:37:53,920
that nobody would have believed without

2716
01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:57,679
a call for it from ground level so

2717
01:38:02,390 --> 01:37:59,840
it's it's amazing really to sort of see

2718
01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:02,400
it working so you know exactly how you'd

2719
01:38:05,189 --> 01:38:03,520
expect them to want it to work and

2720
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:05,199
that's what's happening so that should

2721
01:38:09,350 --> 01:38:07,520
again be another big red flag and that

2722
01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:09,360
certainly what a few hundred or a few

2723
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:12,080
thousand activists calling on senators

2724
01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:14,560
makes changes how many people asked not

2725
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:17,199
to have jabs or not to have digital

2726
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:19,440
passports and we're totally railroaded

2727
01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:21,280
millions of people but we're supposed to

2728
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:23,040
believe a few thousand ufo activists

2729
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:24,320
have managed to get congress to do all

2730
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:28,159
this stuff i'm sorry i'm not buying it

2731
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:31,840
richard dodie strawberry ice cream

2732
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:34,800
should i tell anyone to just google

2733
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:37,760
richard dodie strawberry ice cream

2734
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:40,480
go from there bruce it's been just

2735
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:43,520
fantastic then i loved it

2736
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:45,520
i love talking about this stuff with you

2737
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:47,840
you are the best the best of the best

2738
01:38:53,790 --> 01:38:50,560
this latest book exogenesis hybrid

2739
01:38:57,109 --> 01:38:53,800
humans a scientific history of

2740
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:57,119
extraterrestrial genetic manipulation

2741
01:39:02,950 --> 01:38:59,840
with your wife danny the incomparable

2742
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:02,960
danny there's also the forgotten exodus

2743
01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:06,159
the into africa theory of human

2744
01:39:08,950 --> 01:39:07,360
evolution

2745
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:08,960
hybrid humans

2746
01:39:14,709 --> 01:39:12,239
scientific evidence of our 800 000 year

2747
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:14,719
old alien legacy

2748
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:16,560
and then you can go watch

2749
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:20,080
780 000 our alien origin story

2750
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:22,400
what's what's next what are you working

2751
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:24,480
on what do we should we expect to see

2752
01:39:28,149 --> 01:39:27,360
from you yeah i mean i should within the

2753
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:28,159
next

2754
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:33,440
the final edit done on the tech type

2755
01:39:38,149 --> 01:39:35,600
paper and obviously arguing that this is

2756
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:38,159
an interesting object but also um that

2757
01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,800
it's most likely a techno signature we

2758
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:42,080
should make it the first ever alien

2759
01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:44,159
techno signature and i mean get that up

2760
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:46,560
onto pre-print servers so they'll be

2761
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:48,560
accessible to everybody you know to the

2762
01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:51,199
public um to any scientists or

2763
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:52,960
journalists that might be interested

2764
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,960
most likely to be you know alternative

2765
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:56,880
media i imagine probably not mainstream

2766
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:58,639
media but anyone that is interested in

2767
01:40:01,510 --> 01:39:59,920
that it'd be available i think it's

2768
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:01,520
important those people can check and see

2769
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:04,080
that you know i i'm providing all the

2770
01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:05,920
sources for this and as i say it's all

2771
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:07,840
from academics and nasa and all these

2772
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:10,560
people who you know have a more trusted

2773
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:12,719
authority in these areas you know for

2774
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:15,119
most people and so that will be up i

2775
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:17,520
hope you know very imminently so i hope

2776
01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:19,040
you will watch that space and with a bit

2777
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:21,040
of luck at least the alternative or

2778
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:22,480
independent media

2779
01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:23,440
um

2780
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:25,600
may get excited about that let's hope so

2781
01:40:30,870 --> 01:40:28,400
um and we won't expect fox and cnn props

2782
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:30,880
to jump right onto it but you know if

2783
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,920
some of these bigger you know

2784
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:33,520
independent platforms cover it that'd be

2785
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:35,119
great i'd be quite very very happy with

2786
01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:37,119
that and if some scientists engage with

2787
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:39,119
it and start responding and saying well

2788
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:40,719
i said what's wrong with it if you don't

2789
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:41,920
agree

2790
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:44,000
explain it also explain why it's take

2791
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:46,800
200 years to resolve this tech-type

2792
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:47,760
topic

2793
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:49,679
unless you've got something radically

2794
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:50,560
wrong

2795
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:52,400
that's a long time 200

2796
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:53,920
they've had the ball for 200 years

2797
01:40:57,109 --> 01:40:56,239
before anyone's mentioned aliens

2798
01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:57,119
great

2799
01:41:01,669 --> 01:40:58,400
well bruce

2800
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,679
as always fantastic stuff thanks so much

2801
01:41:07,990 --> 01:41:03,600
for doing this take care no worries

2802
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:09,590
thanks again to bruce fenton for joining

2803
01:41:14,229 --> 01:41:11,760
me today on skeptico the one question

2804
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:14,239
i'd have to tee up from this interview

2805
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:15,360
is

2806
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:19,679
game

2807
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:21,920
that of course presupposes you knew his

2808
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:23,600
game before which you should if you're

2809
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:25,520
listening to this show

2810
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,600
but do you think he's moved us closer to

2811
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:29,760
really nailing down

2812
01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:32,560
some of these theories he has let me

2813
01:41:35,430 --> 01:41:34,239
know your thoughts love to hear from you

2814
01:41:38,950 --> 01:41:35,440
as always

2815
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:38,960
we are whether we like it or not in this

2816
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,239
together

2817
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:42,320
so let's talk

2818
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:45,360
much more to come until next time take